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TOPIC: WTF??? PS3 version of PES 2008 has worse framerate drops/slow-downs
than the 360??
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/d16e71798df5a48d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 12:38 am
From: "Tom"

"Mark Johnson" <mark-johnson@freeola.com> wrote in message
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> AirRaid wrote:
>> On Oct 25, 9:39 pm, Holy Moses <H...@Moses.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:30:03 -0600, Holy Moses <H...@Moses.com> wrote:
>>>> One of the reasons I had purchased the PS3 was for the PES franchise.
>>>> Started out playing the franchise on my PS2, and it's absolutely one
>>>> of my games year in year out.
>>>> But just WTF is this??? How can the PS3, with its superior hardware
>>>> and processing power, have a worse slow-down than the 360 during
>>>> gameplay???
>>>> Where am I getting this from? From the lead developer of the game
>>>> himself, Seabass.
>>>> IGN: In the PS3 version we've played we noticed some slow-down in the
>>>> game, plus the crowd and stadiums aren't as polished as some of the
>>>> on-pitch features. Will you look to rectify this in the next game?
>>>> Seabass: Of course. To be honest I don't think the slow-down is that
>>>> bad compared to the 360 and as I said, we don't create just a PS3
>>>> game, we created both together. But when we compared them directly we
>>>> were shocked because the PS3 has a little bit more slowdown and we
>>>> don't really know why.
>>>> http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/827/827315p1.html?RSSwhen2007-10-15_07...
>>>> I also read at a couple of European gaming forums that the 360 version
>>>> of the game has better graphics too both during the cutscenes and the
>>>> gameplay. The game's already released in the stores over there.
>>>> I'll be taking delivery of C&R when it gets released in here Canada.
>>>> But if this game doesn't impress me, and I never was much of a fan
>>>> with cartoonish looking games, so it'd better have some really cool
>>>> gameplay experience, then I'm seriously going to conside selling my
>>>> PS3 altogether.
>>>> This is total bullshit. I've had this console since the launch and
>>>> this is rather pathetic.
>>> Oh, and here's a gaming site review thrashing the slow-downs in the
>>> PS3 version of the game.
>>> Bah.http://www.pro-g.co.uk/ps3/pes7/review.html
>>>
>>> I bought the PS3 not just for the exclusives I was hoping it will have
>>> down the line, but also thinking that even with games which are
>>> released for both the 360 and the PS3, the PS3 will definitely have
>>> better looking graphics and better gameplay experience overall.
>>>
>>> How wrong was I on that? Look at Madden 08. The other of my
>>> favourite game franchises and I ended up getting it for my 360.
>>> Crikey.
>>>
>>> Better hardware and infinitely more powerful processing power doesn't
>>> mean shit when the game developers aren't going to make the PS3
>>> version that much better than the 360.
>>
>>
>>
>> better hardware? LOL infinitely more processing power? LOL.
>>
>> PS3 has LESS graphics rendering/framebuffer bandwidth than Xbox 360
>> 22.4 GB/s vs 256 GB/s
>>
>> PS3 has LESS pixel fillrate than Xbox 360 when anti-aliasing is used
>> 2 Gpixels/s vs 4 Gpixels/s
>>
>> PS3 has LESS triangle setup/ polygon drawing performance than Xbox 360
>> 250M polys/s vs 500M polys/s
>>
>> PS3's biggest advantage in processing power over Xbox 360
>> is CELL's floating point performance compared to that of Xenon.
>> 218 GFLOPS vs 116 GFLOPs
>>
>> but that does NOT help with GRAPHICS and FRAMERATE - Xbox 360 usually
>> has the advantage,
>>
>> Finally, stop being a fucking prick acting like PS3 is superior and
>> then being surprised when the Xbox 360 versions of certain games run
>> smoother and/or look better.
>>
>
> Get it right for once, the Dev's are now using the cell for some of the
> graphics now.
>
> Yes the 360 GPU is far greater than the PS3 GPU, well all know that, thats
> why the ports in the past have been bad, because the Dev's took the easy
> option and programmed using the PS3 GPU only. When the Dev's program
> properly on the PS3 using not only the GPU but the Cell also for the
> graphics they are getting fantastic results. Take a look at Haze, COD4,
> Uncharted and R&C, bloody great stuff

R&C does look good, but I don't think it looks any better than the 360 AAA
games already out, to be honest. You won't know about Haze and COD4 until it
comes out. Nevertheless, I bet those games do look really nice and play
well. It's a fucking shame that Airhead can't keep different systems apart
for what they are and do.

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TOPIC: Why Uncharted can only be on PS3
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/c8045f7b835600cd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 1:53 am
From: "Captain Jack Harkness"

"khee mao" <big_bad_buddha_daddy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Captain Jack Harkness" <captainjack@torchwood.gov> wrote in message
> news:7bWdnTyzTKo7A7TanZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >
> > "boodybandit" <allaboutgamez@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:mPKdnXtkMv3yXLXanZ2dnUVZ_qelnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >>
> >> "Captain Jack Harkness" <captainjack@torchwood.gov> wrote in message
> >> news:bpadnRHyBZlOprXanZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> > Maybe you just lost the chart.
> >>
> >> Hey Capt Loser Troll.
> >> If you are going to spam all of usenet with an article that was
> >> originally
> >> posted to the proper group ( alt.games.video.sony-playstation3 ) at
least
> >> post the original message with the link that was provided dumbass.
> >
> > You're just jealous because I made a hefty profit on my Microsoft stock
> > this
> > week.
> >
> >
http://www.forbes.com/2007/10/31/microsoft-apple-closer-markets-equity-cx_er_ra_1031markets52.html?partner=iaci
> >
> > Microsoft Gets Its Groove Back
> >
> > Investors seem to be warming up again to Microsoft.
> >
> > The software maker rose $1.24, or $3.5%, to $36.81 on Wednesday. There
was
> > no major news out of Redmond, Wash., but the Street has been gaining
> > confidence in Microsoft (nasdaq: MSFT - news - people ) since the
company
> > released stellar quarterly results last week.
> >
> >
> >
> since when is a 3.5% gain "making money?" bfd.

You don't read too well, do you PoS3tard? I said *I* made a hefty profit on
*MY* Microsoft stock.

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TOPIC: PS3 sales triple in Europe and three times greater than xflop 3-shitty
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/0d585f063c01c8e4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 1:54 am
From: "Captain Jack Harkness"

"Mark Johnson" <mark-johnson@freeola.com> wrote in message
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> Captain Jack Harkness wrote:
> > "Tom" <jimvernes@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1193890490.843843.282660@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Oct 31, 9:30 pm, Jonah Falcon <jonahny...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>> Poor Blig Merk.
> >> Yea, but here in the US, I noticed Motorstorm moved into 10nth place
> >> from 20th now in sales. That means the PS3 is selling also since it is
> >> bundled with it. According to VGChatrz, PS3 sales uin the US went up
> >> +61% from the previous week. The 360 in Europe is getting outsold
> >> nearly 2-1 by the PS3, so if that keeps up, we know how fast it can
> >> close. Personally, this is good news since it will keep the market
> >> strong for competition.
> >
> > Clearance sales will do that.
> >
> >
>
> What an idiot you are.

Look what's talking.

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TOPIC: Ratchett and Clanks sells a whopping 97,000 copies in first week!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/e0c2b7ea4f8bca94?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 2:34 am
From: Jordan

On Oct 31, 2:00 pm, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:

> 111,056 copies of AC sold for the 12.75mil 360s sold
> 97055 copies of R&C sold for 5.34mil PS3s sold

Uh, isn't Ace Combat also $150 because it comes with the flight
controller?

- Jordan

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 5:14 am
From: carlahomolka@hotmail.com

On Nov 1, 10:26 pm, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
> <carlahomo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193942619.585452.39880@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 1, 10:29 am, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
> >> <carlahomo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1193926143.295742.213470@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Nov 1, 9:57 am, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
> >> >> <carlahomo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >>news:1193924112.361107.39570@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> >> > On Oct 31, 5:54 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
> >> >> > <alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> Who gives a crap about sales records? The fact remains that
> >> >> >> Ratchet
> >> >> >> is a AAA title, and blowns the claim that Ps3 has NO good
> >> >> >> exclusives
> >> >> >> out of the water. Pathetic that you losers have to desperately
> >> >> >> find
> >> >> >> some way to trash all PS3 titles. Last time I checked, Warhawk,
> >> >> >> Heavenly Sword, Folklore, and Eye of Judgement all received great
> >> >> >> reviews. Xbots will realy be sobbing when the greatness of
> >> >> >> Uncharted
> >> >> >> comes out in a month.
>
> >> >> > Actually most of those got pretty mediocre reviews.
>
> >> >> > Warhawk was the only one to even crack an average over 80% on
> >> >> > metacritic.
>
> >> >> Oh fucking please! Heavenly Sword is an 8.1 on Gamerankings and 7.9 on
> >> >> Meta
> >> >> (averages out and Meta uses a funky translating scoring system when
> >> >> converting an alphabet scoring system to a numeric). Ratchet & Clank
> >> >> is
> >> >> 9.0
> >> >> on Meta and Gamerankings.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> > Oh please what? Like I said, with the exception of Ratchet & Klank,
> >> > all those titles received mediocre scores.
>
> >> You said ONLY Warhawk was the only one to crack 8.0 and HS ranks rights
> >> there, you fanbitch!- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Your reading comprehension is terrible. I said Warhawk was the only
> > one to crack 80% on metacritic and that statement is a fact. So go
> > fuck yourself.
>
> R&C cracked 90% and you said (out of what was liste in the OP) that Warhawk
> was the only one to crack 80%, and you didn't specify "other than ....", so
> go fuck yourself- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It was fairly obvious to all (except the most retarded of people) that
I was only referring to this statement:

"Last time I checked, Warhawk,
Heavenly Sword, Folklore, and Eye of Judgement all received great
reviews. Xbots will realy be sobbing when the greatness of Uncharted
comes out in a month."

Only a fucking retard like yourself would assume I was including
Ratchet and Klank in there since it was already stated previously in
this thread that it was receiving scores higher than 80%.
Unfortunately I forgot there were people out there that were as dumb
as you. I will make sure I clarify things better in the future so
retards like yourself don't get confused.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 6:31 am
From: "boodybandit"

<carlahomolka@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1194005655.014247.217900@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 1, 10:26 pm, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>> <carlahomo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1193942619.585452.39880@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 1, 10:29 am, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>> >> <carlahomo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:1193926143.295742.213470@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > On Nov 1, 9:57 am, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>> >> >> <carlahomo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >> >>news:1193924112.361107.39570@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> >> > On Oct 31, 5:54 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
>> >> >> > <alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> Who gives a crap about sales records? The fact remains that
>> >> >> >> Ratchet
>> >> >> >> is a AAA title, and blowns the claim that Ps3 has NO good
>> >> >> >> exclusives
>> >> >> >> out of the water. Pathetic that you losers have to desperately
>> >> >> >> find
>> >> >> >> some way to trash all PS3 titles. Last time I checked, Warhawk,
>> >> >> >> Heavenly Sword, Folklore, and Eye of Judgement all received
>> >> >> >> great
>> >> >> >> reviews. Xbots will realy be sobbing when the greatness of
>> >> >> >> Uncharted
>> >> >> >> comes out in a month.
>>
>> >> >> > Actually most of those got pretty mediocre reviews.
>>
>> >> >> > Warhawk was the only one to even crack an average over 80% on
>> >> >> > metacritic.
>>
>> >> >> Oh fucking please! Heavenly Sword is an 8.1 on Gamerankings and 7.9
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> Meta
>> >> >> (averages out and Meta uses a funky translating scoring system when
>> >> >> converting an alphabet scoring system to a numeric). Ratchet &
>> >> >> Clank
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> 9.0
>> >> >> on Meta and Gamerankings.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> > Oh please what? Like I said, with the exception of Ratchet & Klank,
>> >> > all those titles received mediocre scores.
>>
>> >> You said ONLY Warhawk was the only one to crack 8.0 and HS ranks
>> >> rights
>> >> there, you fanbitch!- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > Your reading comprehension is terrible. I said Warhawk was the only
>> > one to crack 80% on metacritic and that statement is a fact. So go
>> > fuck yourself.
>>
>> R&C cracked 90% and you said (out of what was liste in the OP) that
>> Warhawk
>> was the only one to crack 80%, and you didn't specify "other than ....",
>> so
>> go fuck yourself- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> It was fairly obvious to all (except the most retarded of people) that
> I was only referring to this statement:
>
> "Last time I checked, Warhawk,
> Heavenly Sword, Folklore, and Eye of Judgement all received great
> reviews. Xbots will realy be sobbing when the greatness of Uncharted
> comes out in a month."
>
> Only a fucking retard like yourself would assume I was including
> Ratchet and Klank in there since it was already stated previously in
> this thread that it was receiving scores higher than 80%.
> Unfortunately I forgot there were people out there that were as dumb
> as you. I will make sure I clarify things better in the future so
> retards like yourself don't get confused.

When you clarify things for the confused can you include mentality
challenged vs retard?
It might make your points sound a little more valid instead of the rumbles
of a ..... er um "retard".

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 6:47 am
From: elrous0@pop.uky.edu

On Nov 1, 9:49 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If you want to get technical, Ratchet and Clank is a flagship, mascot,
> brand name title for the Playstation 3. Ace Combat is none of those
> things for the Xbox 360... it's a throaway game that only appeals to a
> small portion of Xbox 360 gamers (and gamers in general for that
> matter).
>
> The original poster opened the door by using Ace Comba as a
> comparison, but the comparison that should be used is one of the more
> popular games for the Xbox 360, something really associated with the
> Xbox 360, like Gears of War or Halo 3.

That was the sad part of my post. For those PS3 fanboys who don't get
it, "Ace Combat 6" is a no-name title that no one gives a shit about.
And even *IT* significantly outsold what was supposed to be one of the
PS3's big-selling flagship titles.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 6:54 am
From: elrous0@pop.uky.edu

On Nov 1, 2:45 pm, The King of Gaming <king.of.gam...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> 97,000 copies of R&C given the install base is impressive by
> any standard, which you damn well know.

97,000 copies of a game that was supposed to be a flagship title is an
absolute joke, It's barely worth comparing to even the crappiest of
360 titles.

If you think for a second that developers aren't paying attention to
numbers like that, you're fucking nuts. You think they are going to
want to develop exclusive titles for a console that can't even sell
over 100,000 copies of a major title in its debut week, when they
could be developing for the 360 (which can sell more than that for
even minor titles)?!?!?

-Eric

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 6:55 am
From: elrous0@pop.uky.edu

On Oct 31, 5:54 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
<alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Who gives a crap about sales records?

Developers.

-Eric

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 6:57 am
From: elrous0@pop.uky.edu

On Nov 1, 9:57 am, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
> <carlahomo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193924112.361107.39570@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Oct 31, 5:54 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
> > <alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Who gives a crap about sales records? The fact remains that Ratchet
> >> is a AAA title, and blowns the claim that Ps3 has NO good exclusives
> >> out of the water. Pathetic that you losers have to desperately find
> >> some way to trash all PS3 titles. Last time I checked, Warhawk,
> >> Heavenly Sword, Folklore, and Eye of Judgement all received great
> >> reviews. Xbots will realy be sobbing when the greatness of Uncharted
> >> comes out in a month.
>
> > Actually most of those got pretty mediocre reviews.
>
> > Warhawk was the only one to even crack an average over 80% on
> > metacritic.
>
> Oh fucking please! Heavenly Sword is an 8.1 on Gamerankings and 7.9 on Meta
> (averages out and Meta uses a funky translating scoring system when
> converting an alphabet scoring system to a numeric).

Is that good by PS3 standards? We 360 fans would consider that
mediocre.

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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: COD4 PS3 Version Will Be Superior to Xbox
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 3:25 am
From: "boodybandit"

"Mark Johnson" <mark-johnson@freeola.com> wrote in message
news:fgcjct$24in$2@energise.enta.net...
> The alMIGHTY N wrote:
>> On Oct 31, 5:55 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
>> <alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Oct 31, 2:52 pm, jeremieba...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Oct 31, 6:02 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
>>>> <alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 31, 8:33 am, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
>>>>>> On Oct 30, 9:03 pm, "Rowdy J" <row...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> It's the most anticipated on the PS3 because it's just about all
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> have that'll be any good this Xmas season.
>>>>>> Hey, they have the great "Heavenly Sword" with its massive sales of
>>>>>> 200,000 units.
>>>>> Heavenly Sword was indeed great. Solid gameplay, amazing
>>>>> presentation, good story. The game was extremely polished with no
>>>>> glaring bugs or graphical glitches. The fact that it did not sell
>>>>> millions does not effect the quality of the title.
>>>> It was shit.
>>> Yea so was Halo 3. At HS offered something unique instead of the same
>>> boring FPS Xbox turds.
>>
>> You're certainly entitled to your own opinion, but when you try to
>> make sweeping declarations about these games as if your opinion
>> actually mattered to anybody but yourself, you only look foolish since
>> the critics, whose word most consumers will take with more validity
>> than yours (if they even ever read your posts) all disagree.
>>
>
> More and more people think the so called critics don't know what they are
> talking about these days, Xbox and PS fans alike.

That is because "fans" usually know more than the so called critics. Most
of these morons that review games are either non gamers and just do it as a
job or the hype the type of game they have to review. BTW, "ALL" reviewers
(people in general) give their opinions through their own bias, Even if they
dont't want to admit it they are bias just like most people, even people
that swear they aren't, are racist to some degree (regardless of what races
they harbor bitterness or fear of).

I read "some" reviews (usually only IGN's but I will skim over a few others)
but I take none of them seriously. Way too many 10's and far too many under
rated games this year.
I would rather hear opinions from consumers. That is the single biggest
reason I started coming here in the first place. Although, because the place
is so over run with small minded fanboys and immature assholes, I only pay
attention to a select few when it comes to opinions here.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 3:32 am
From: "boodybandit"

"boodybandit" <allaboutgamez@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:0KadnZ5suqa_ZrfanZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Mark Johnson" <mark-johnson@freeola.com> wrote in message
> news:fgcjct$24in$2@energise.enta.net...
>> The alMIGHTY N wrote:
>>> On Oct 31, 5:55 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
>>> <alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Oct 31, 2:52 pm, jeremieba...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 31, 6:02 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
>>>>> <alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Oct 31, 8:33 am, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 9:03 pm, "Rowdy J" <row...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> It's the most anticipated on the PS3 because it's just about all
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> have that'll be any good this Xmas season.
>>>>>>> Hey, they have the great "Heavenly Sword" with its massive sales of
>>>>>>> 200,000 units.
>>>>>> Heavenly Sword was indeed great. Solid gameplay, amazing
>>>>>> presentation, good story. The game was extremely polished with no
>>>>>> glaring bugs or graphical glitches. The fact that it did not sell
>>>>>> millions does not effect the quality of the title.
>>>>> It was shit.
>>>> Yea so was Halo 3. At HS offered something unique instead of the same
>>>> boring FPS Xbox turds.
>>>
>>> You're certainly entitled to your own opinion, but when you try to
>>> make sweeping declarations about these games as if your opinion
>>> actually mattered to anybody but yourself, you only look foolish since
>>> the critics, whose word most consumers will take with more validity
>>> than yours (if they even ever read your posts) all disagree.
>>>
>>
>> More and more people think the so called critics don't know what they are
>> talking about these days, Xbox and PS fans alike.
>
> That is because "fans" usually know more than the so called critics. Most
> of these morons that review games are either non gamers and just do it as
> a job or the hype

meant to say end up over hyping or actually hate the type of game

> the type of game they have to review. BTW, "ALL" reviewers (people in
> general) give their opinions through their own bias, Even if they dont't
> want to admit it they are bias just like most people, even people that
> swear they aren't, are racist to some degree (regardless of what races
> they harbor bitterness or fear of).
>
> I read "some" reviews (usually only IGN's but I will skim over a few
> others) but I take none of them seriously. Way too many 10's and far too
> many under rated games this year.
> I would rather hear opinions from consumers. That is the single biggest
> reason I started coming here in the first place. Although, because the
> place is so over run with small minded fanboys and immature assholes, I
> only pay attention to a select few when it comes to opinions here.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 3:35 am
From: "boodybandit"

"Blackheart" <blackheart666_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193964947.852273.314200@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 31, 5:55 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
> <alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 31, 2:52 pm, jeremieba...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 31, 6:02 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
>>
>> > <alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > > On Oct 31, 8:33 am, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
>>
>> > > > On Oct 30, 9:03 pm, "Rowdy J" <row...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > It's the most anticipated on the PS3 because it's just about
>> > > > > all they
>> > > > > have that'll be any good this Xmas season.
>>
>> > > > Hey, they have the great "Heavenly Sword" with its massive sales of
>> > > > 200,000 units.
>>
>> > > Heavenly Sword was indeed great. Solid gameplay, amazing
>> > > presentation, good story. The game was extremely polished with no
>> > > glaring bugs or graphical glitches. The fact that it did not sell
>> > > millions does not effect the quality of the title.
>>
>> > It was shit.
>>
>> Yea so was Halo 3. At HS offered something unique instead of the same
>> boring FPS Xbox turds.-
>
> what offering was that? God of War in "Jiggly Mode"?

Actually they offered a complex, yet easy to pick up, fighting engine that
is unique to most others in this genre.
Where it fell a little flat was in content and execution game itself. But
NT is on to something with this game and I hope they can get it right with
their sequel.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 6:42 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Nov 1, 9:09 am, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
<alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 1, 8:07 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 31, 5:55 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
>
> > <alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Oct 31, 2:52 pm, jeremieba...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 31, 6:02 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
>
> > > > <alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Oct 31, 8:33 am, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Oct 30, 9:03 pm, "Rowdy J" <row...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > It's the most anticipated on the PS3 because it's just about all they
> > > > > > > have that'll be any good this Xmas season.
>
> > > > > > Hey, they have the great "Heavenly Sword" with its massive sales of
> > > > > > 200,000 units.
>
> > > > > Heavenly Sword was indeed great. Solid gameplay, amazing
> > > > > presentation, good story. The game was extremely polished with no
> > > > > glaring bugs or graphical glitches. The fact that it did not sell
> > > > > millions does not effect the quality of the title.
>
> > > > It was shit.
>
> > > Yea so was Halo 3. At HS offered something unique instead of the same
> > > boring FPS Xbox turds.
>
> > You're certainly entitled to your own opinion, but when you try to
> > make sweeping declarations about these games as if your opinion
> > actually mattered to anybody but yourself, you only look foolish since
> > the critics, whose word most consumers will take with more validity
> > than yours (if they even ever read your posts) all disagree.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> What a hypocritical statement. Calling HS a POS without any
> supporting reasons is a sweeping lame generalization.

That would be true if I actually said that Heavenly Sword was a piece
of shit game. Look back at my posts and you'll find that I've never
said anything to that effect.

The only thing I've said about it was that it had nice graphics but it
felt like your standard hack-and-slash and got boring even in the 15
minutes I played. Plus, I noted every time I commented on it that my
opinion was based simply on the 15 minutes I played and not a full
play-through.

>From a personal standpoint, I can only go by what I've played of the
game thus far. However, I'll take the word of the reviewers, some of
whom said it was great and some of whom said it was bad, but all of
whom averaged out to a score around the 80% mark, over your word since
you're very obviously biased and only glean from reviews that support
your opinion.

Perhaps if you weren't making sweeping declarations written as if by a
10-year-old, people would take you a little bit more seriously. Note
that when boodybandit, King of Gaming, khee mao, slayer, and nick
soapdish, all of whom I frequently disagree with on games, the
industry in general, etc. say something good about a game, they don't
go on about how it's the best game ever and it's going to single-
handedly destroy the opposing console, yadda yadda. While I may clash
with their opinions on things, I'll even take their opinions over
yours because they don't feel the need to validate their lives based
on the failure or success of a console.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 6:44 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Nov 1, 9:11 am, Mark Johnson <mark-john...@freeola.com> wrote:
> The alMIGHTY N wrote:
> > On Oct 31, 5:55 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
> > <alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Oct 31, 2:52 pm, jeremieba...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> >>> On Oct 31, 6:02 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
> >>> <alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Oct 31, 8:33 am, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
> >>>>> On Oct 30, 9:03 pm, "Rowdy J" <row...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> It's the most anticipated on the PS3 because it's just about all they
> >>>>>> have that'll be any good this Xmas season.
> >>>>> Hey, they have the great "Heavenly Sword" with its massive sales of
> >>>>> 200,000 units.
> >>>> Heavenly Sword was indeed great. Solid gameplay, amazing
> >>>> presentation, good story. The game was extremely polished with no
> >>>> glaring bugs or graphical glitches. The fact that it did not sell
> >>>> millions does not effect the quality of the title.
> >>> It was shit.
> >> Yea so was Halo 3. At HS offered something unique instead of the same
> >> boring FPS Xbox turds.
>
> > You're certainly entitled to your own opinion, but when you try to
> > make sweeping declarations about these games as if your opinion
> > actually mattered to anybody but yourself, you only look foolish since
> > the critics, whose word most consumers will take with more validity
> > than yours (if they even ever read your posts) all disagree.
>
> More and more people think the so called critics don't know what they
> are talking about these days, Xbox and PS fans alike.

You're talking about hardcore fans. The average consumer looking to
choose between one of the two consoles is always going to look for
opinions and information from magazines, websites and the like. They
may not know about Metacritic or every website, but they'll get
opinions, maybe even from the employees at Best Buy, Target or
whatever store they're in.

However, they're not likely going to get anything out of this
newsgroup because the average person doesn't even know what Usenet and
Google Groups are.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 6:58 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Nov 2, 6:25 am, "boodybandit" <allaboutga...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> That is because "fans" usually know more than the so called critics.

That depends on the critic. There are plenty of critics out there who
have been gaming all their lives. I don't think it's prudent to
discount every critic because some, even most, don't know what they're
talking about.

> Most
> of these morons that review games are either non gamers and just do it as a
> job or the hype the type of game they have to review. BTW, "ALL" reviewers
> (people in general) give their opinions through their own bias,

Of course, everybody's biased. The trick is to get past as much of
your bias as possible. Also, it helps if you (as in the critic) are
assigned to review a game of a genre you actually enjoy... or at least
don't despise.

I'm not a fan of RTS or JRPGs at all. I've enjoyed a handful in my
life but for the most part I hate those games. It would be really
tough for me to ignore my bias just because I don't have the right
experience or context to speak to how someone who enjoys these types
of games would see this.

I'm a huge fan of shooters. Even if I didn't like a franchise or
license, I think I'd be able to put most of my bias aside and give a
relatively fair review. Further, it would be my responsibility to
disclose something like "I just don't like the art style but that's my
personal opinion" instead of just saying "the art style is crap."

Of course, not everybody's going to have the same standards as I do.

> Even if they
> dont't want to admit it they are bias just like most people, even people
> that swear they aren't, are racist to some degree (regardless of what races
> they harbor bitterness or fear of).
>
> I read "some" reviews (usually only IGN's but I will skim over a few others)
> but I take none of them seriously. Way too many 10's and far too many under
> rated games this year.

I actually like IGN because they've never steered me wrong in the
past. Maybe I just have similar tastes to some of their reviewers. I'm
not a big fan of Hilary Goldstein myself, no offense to him, but I
always like Matt Cassamassina's reviews. I didn't mind the Xbox guy
who just left, either.

> I would rather hear opinions from consumers.

My friend is the same way but takes it a step further. He *only* reads
reviews written by non-professionals that specifically focus on the
negative aspects of a game. He's not interested in hearing good things
about games because he feels that anytime somebody writes something
good, it's just their personal bias and they're probably exaggerating
how good it is because they like it.

I always point out to him that if somebody writes something scathing
about a negative aspect of the game, it's also probably exaggerated by
their personal bias against it.

> That is the single biggest
> reason I started coming here in the first place. Although, because the place
> is so over run with small minded fanboys and immature assholes, I only pay
> attention to a select few when it comes to opinions here.

That's the big caveat... in the end, it's still just opinions. I don't
take anyone's at face value right off the bat. I generally read for a
while to see how similar a reviewer's (professional or not) tastes are
to mine before I decide to leave out the grain of salt.

For example, I almost never buy games that my friend likes because he
has such strange tastes in games (he likes a lot of twisted Japanese
shit like some Dreamcast game where two half naked guys fly around
shooting white beams out of their foreheads like giant cocks... and he
even used that comparison to describe it which made me wonder about
him for a while LOL).

His tastes are so far off the norm that I can't possibly ignore it
whenever he tells me how great a game is. He actually got pissed at me
because I wouldn't take his "reviews" seriously, but I explained to
him that we have almost nothing in common when it comes to games we
like. The only things he's recommended to me that I didn't already
anticipate and ended up actually liking were Guitar Hero, Okami (I
can't wait for the Wii version) and Viewtiful Joe (the second one
wasn't as good), pretty much.

On the other hand, I hardly know you but you seem to have at least
somewhat similar tastes in games to me so even though we clash on some
things I'd probably listen more to your opinion than to my friend's.

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TOPIC: how to drop your weapon in halo 3
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 3:38 am
From: "boodybandit"

"Alai" <alai702@texanet.com> wrote in message
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> "silentpig" <psufreak485@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1193971473.251176.171770@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>> this is how to have no weapons in halo 3
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1YPqRIAKTY
>
> Thanks, that was fun to see. I also saw in Gametrailers about acquiring 9
> gold skulls? Are these things documented somewhere in the game for us to
> know to try looking for them?

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hidden+skulls+halo+3

don't forget searching for the silver skulls as well so you can get the
ninja armour for MC online.

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TOPIC: What will the PSN offer us this week?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/d5e069e656e9a08a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 4:58 am
From: "boodybandit"

"Rowdy J" <rowdyj@aol.com> wrote in message
news:8HuWi.2443$yV6.985@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "boodybandit" <allaboutgamez@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:wdqdnbABNMz-9rfanZ2dnUVZ_h2pnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>> "Rowdy J" <rowdyj@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:8atWi.16160$lD6.1330@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>>> Holy Crap! A Close Encounters of The Third Kind trailer!
>>> YESSSSSSSSS!!!! PS3 RULES!!!!!
>>>
>>> Actually, on their behalf, they DID release the TimeShift demo that LIVE
>>> has had for weeks... and the Pro Street demo which LIVE has had for
>>> about a week or so.
>>
>> Awe. You were doing so good up until you had to mention this. *sigh* ;-)
>>
>> Next week is Uncharted the demo. That is by far my most important and
>> anticipated demo. I have zero plans of getting Time Shift or Pro Street
>> but I am very interested in checking out Uncharted.
>> Now if only MS or Sony could get a ACreed demo out.
>
>
> I'll agree with you on that. I'm definitely interested in seeing and
> playing the Uncharted demo. I hope it lives up to the billing. That will
> be one PS3 game I will be buying if it does.
>
> On a side note... Timeshift DEFINITELY looks better on the 360. I
> thought the PS3 demo was UGLY. It was damn near BLURRY.

Timeshift wasn't that hot on the 360 either. At least not to me. I didn't
try the PSN version and I have no reason to since I didn't care for the 360
demo. I am just tired of generic shooters regardless of what new gimmick
they offer.

Did you try the NFS:Pro Street demo on PSN?
I am wondering if EA is finally showing the PS3 some love. It was an ok demo
on the 360 but it doesn't quite live up to PGR4 as far as handling or fun
factor.
I actually enjoyed Sega Revo more than the Pro Street demo. The next racer I
will be picking up is Burnout Paradise.

Oh well I guess I'll power up my PS3 before I leave and just download
everything. (except TimeShift)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 6:59 am
From: RMZ

On Nov 1, 3:33 pm, "Rowdy J" <jk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Trailers? SD Trailers? HD Trailers? Trailers featuring tailers of other
> trailers? Trailers of Blu-Rays that feature trailers of trucks with
> trailers attached?
>
> And maybe a background of a trailer?

PSN is free, that's worth everything to an American right?

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TOPIC: Warner may be Blu-Ray exclusive next year
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/5e0bd27485f6bd6a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 6:18 am
From: "CellFish"

"The alMIGHTY N" <natlee75@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193973578.442221.100930@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 1, 9:36 pm, "CellFish" <nomores...@forme.com> wrote:
>> "The alMIGHTY N" <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:1193933729.873102.292670@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 1, 11:57 am, "CellFish" <nomores...@forme.com> wrote:
>> >> "The alMIGHTY N" <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> >> messagenews:1193928237.176377.43820@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> >http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Warner/Warner_Mulls_Change_in_...
>>
>> >> > My apologies if this was already posted. I just read it a few
>> >> > moments
>> >> > ago.
>>
>> >> > If Warner were to become a Blu-Ray exclusive studio, that would
>> >> > pretty
>> >> > much seal the deal because Warner is by far the biggest next-gen
>> >> > format releaser of all the studios and has an excellent portfolio of
>> >> > titles.
>>
>> >> I would agree about that. Warner being exclusive on Blu-Ray would
>> >> weaken
>> >> HD-DVD considerably. I still love movies from Universal and Paramount
>> >> studios though.
>>
>> > I'm pretty sure I have favorite movies from all the different studios.
>> > On the Blu-Ray side, it's hard to ignore the Spider-man movies, the
>> > Terminator movies, the soon-to-be-released Aliens films, anything from
>> > Disney, and other similar major titles.
>>
>> > Whether any specific person likes them or not, they're still going to
>> > be huge movies that will sell well, relative to the size of the
>> > market.
>>
>> > Once those dual-format players hit reasonable pricing levels, this
>> > whole format war will be irrelevant.
>>
>> It turns out that Warner is not favoring Blu-Ray at all. In fact, they
>> let
>> their Blu-Ray license expire last night on October 31st. Apparently,
>> they're
>> set to announce exclusivity to one format or the other by the end of the
>> year. Hopefully, it will be HD-DVD.
>
> http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Warner/Warner_Mulls_Change_in_High-Def_Strategy/1123
>
> The greater install base for Blu-Ray and the lower prices for set-top
> players are things Warner obviously can't ignore.
>

Except that the installed base for Blu-Ray isn't exactly buying movies
whereas the installed base for HD-DVD is SPECIFICALLY buying movies. No one
that has an HD-DVD drive right now is buying it for games whereas a lot of
people who have a Blu-Ray drive are.

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TOPIC: Gears of War Headset/Speaker Settings
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/3564025820093e2e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 6:11 am
From: RdKetchup

Grinder wrote:
> Gears of War sporadically routes the Game Channel chatter through the
> speakers and the headset, in spite of my Personal Settings, which are
> set to "Headset only." I can find no relevant settings in Gears of War
> itself, and the head set is otherwise working fine.
>
> Any ideas as to what's going on, and more importantly, how to fix it?

I had that problem in Forza Motorsport 2 at first, and it was simply a
case of the headset not behing properly plugged in.

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TOPIC: HD-DVD player at Walmart tomorrow for $98.97
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/3bae30b0fd86aa0f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 6:25 am
From: "boodybandit"

"Trevor Smithson" <trevor_smithson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:u5rki3p59cm3fct2m9gphrp8c3mk5ingmg@4ax.com...
> Just in case the storm this has caused on the Internet has passed you
> by:
>
> http://holiday.ri-walmart.com/?section=secret
>
>
> I think this is a better deal than the 360's add-on drive. The only
> downside I can see is a lack of 1080p output, which is irreleveant if
> your TV has a good deinterlacer.

It's only irrelevant if you don't own a 1080p set and just want a better
quality DVD.
1080p display from a 1080p source makes more a difference than some would
like to think otherwise. It's an excellent price but I would rather just add
some funds and get a true 1080p player since I own 1080p displays.

I want a dual player stand alone unit myself.

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TOPIC: Best Co-Op Multiplayer?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/ad47128fc3905ba3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 6:52 am
From: Gareth Robert Halfacree

Paul Heslop wrote:
> Tom wrote:
>> On Oct 21, 10:40 pm, Jonah Falcon <jonahny...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> What games had (or will have) the best co-op in it?
>
> going through 10 items or less til with 11 items.

As has been pointed out: "10 items or fewer"; and that's the best game
in a Co-Op, not the best co-op in a game. :p

--
Gareth Halfacree
http://gareth.halfacree.co.uk

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