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TOPIC: Ratchett and Clanks sells a whopping 97,000 copies in first week!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/e0c2b7ea4f8bca94?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 6:59 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Oct 31, 5:23 pm, The King of Gaming <king.of.gam...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Oct 31, 3:47 pm, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
>
> > Wow, you PS3 fanboys must be proud.
>
> > Hey, if it had sold another 20,000 it would have matched the sales
> > numbers of the mega-hit "Ace Combat 6" on the 360.
>
> > Your console is definitely on its way with powerhouses like this one.
> > MS should be surrendering any day now.
>
> > -Eric
>
> How many 360s are out there compared to PS3's again, Xbot loser? How
> much longer has the 360 been out than the PS3 again, idiot? It's
> amazing how many Xbots live in the fantasy world...

While your criteria does need to be considered when talking about
current attach rates, the fact that the Xbox 360 had an attach rate of
3.9 games per console in the United States during its launch window
also needs to be considered in the age-to-age comparison you find more
fair and telling. The Playstation 3 never achieved that high an attach
rate despite matching the hardware sales rate in the first year.

> Assume the position, idiot. And get back down on your knees...

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 7:04 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Oct 31, 5:54 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
<alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 31, 3:47 pm, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
>
> > Wow, you PS3 fanboys must be proud.
>
> > Hey, if it had sold another 20,000 it would have matched the sales
> > numbers of the mega-hit "Ace Combat 6" on the 360.
>
> > Your console is definitely on its way with powerhouses like this one.
> > MS should be surrendering any day now.
>
> > -Eric
>
> Who gives a crap about sales records? The fact remains that Ratchet
> is a AAA title, and blowns the claim that Ps3 has NO good exclusives
> out of the water.

To be fair, nobody has continued to claim, following the release of
Ratchet and Clank, that the Playstation 3 has no good exclusives.

> Pathetic that you losers have to desperately find
> some way to trash all PS3 titles. Last time I checked, Warhawk,
> Heavenly Sword, Folklore, and Eye of Judgement all received great
> reviews.

How could Eye of Judgment have gotten a great review?

Warhawk, Heavenly Sword and Folklore got decent reviews, but your
statement is disingenuous if you only reference the sources that gave
them really good reviews and ignore the sources that gave them less
than stellar reviews.

The Metacritic aggregates for these games don't indicate AAA titles,
although to be fair, you didn't claim they were AAA titles in this
thread.

I'm kind of surprised you didn't mention Resistance since it scored
higher than those 3 already-released titles.

> Xbots will realy be sobbing when the greatness of Uncharted
> comes out in a month.

Why would anybody be sobbing?

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 7:07 am
From: Mark Johnson

The alMIGHTY N wrote:
> On Oct 31, 5:23 pm, The King of Gaming <king.of.gam...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Oct 31, 3:47 pm, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, you PS3 fanboys must be proud.
>>> Hey, if it had sold another 20,000 it would have matched the sales
>>> numbers of the mega-hit "Ace Combat 6" on the 360.
>>> Your console is definitely on its way with powerhouses like this one.
>>> MS should be surrendering any day now.
>>> -Eric
>> How many 360s are out there compared to PS3's again, Xbot loser? How
>> much longer has the 360 been out than the PS3 again, idiot? It's
>> amazing how many Xbots live in the fantasy world...
>
> While your criteria does need to be considered when talking about
> current attach rates, the fact that the Xbox 360 had an attach rate of
> 3.9 games per console in the United States during its launch window
> also needs to be considered in the age-to-age comparison you find more
> fair and telling. The Playstation 3 never achieved that high an attach
> rate despite matching the hardware sales rate in the first year.
>

Yes because the 360 was the first of new gen and there was nothing else
around at the time to compete with it, so people jumped all over it when
it came out. Plus because it was and still is cheap to buy, people have
got more spare cash to buy the games afterwards

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 7:08 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

The games attach rate of the consoles is going to be a better way to
compare the two because it takes the console's retail age out of the
equation.

> Assume the position, idiot. And get back down on your knees...

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 7:09 am
From: carlahomolka@hotmail.com

On Nov 1, 9:57 am, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
> <carlahomo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193924112.361107.39570@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 31, 5:54 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
> > <alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Who gives a crap about sales records? The fact remains that Ratchet
> >> is a AAA title, and blowns the claim that Ps3 has NO good exclusives
> >> out of the water. Pathetic that you losers have to desperately find
> >> some way to trash all PS3 titles. Last time I checked, Warhawk,
> >> Heavenly Sword, Folklore, and Eye of Judgement all received great
> >> reviews. Xbots will realy be sobbing when the greatness of Uncharted
> >> comes out in a month.
>
> > Actually most of those got pretty mediocre reviews.
>
> > Warhawk was the only one to even crack an average over 80% on
> > metacritic.
>
> Oh fucking please! Heavenly Sword is an 8.1 on Gamerankings and 7.9 on Meta
> (averages out and Meta uses a funky translating scoring system when
> converting an alphabet scoring system to a numeric). Ratchet & Clank is 9.0
> on Meta and Gamerankings.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Oh please what? Like I said, with the exception of Ratchet & Klank,
all those titles received mediocre scores.

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 7:26 am
From: Robert P Holley

On Oct 31, 4:47 pm, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
> Wow, you PS3 fanboys must be proud.
>
> Hey, if it had sold another 20,000 it would have matched the sales
> numbers of the mega-hit "Ace Combat 6" on the 360.
>

In fairness the installed base for the X360 in the US is much higher
than the PS3's. In any event, I was one of those 97,000 people who
bought it and couldn't be more satisfied. The game is great fun.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 7:29 am
From: "Tom"

<carlahomolka@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1193926143.295742.213470@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 1, 9:57 am, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>> <carlahomo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1193924112.361107.39570@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 31, 5:54 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
>> > <alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Who gives a crap about sales records? The fact remains that Ratchet
>> >> is a AAA title, and blowns the claim that Ps3 has NO good exclusives
>> >> out of the water. Pathetic that you losers have to desperately find
>> >> some way to trash all PS3 titles. Last time I checked, Warhawk,
>> >> Heavenly Sword, Folklore, and Eye of Judgement all received great
>> >> reviews. Xbots will realy be sobbing when the greatness of Uncharted
>> >> comes out in a month.
>>
>> > Actually most of those got pretty mediocre reviews.
>>
>> > Warhawk was the only one to even crack an average over 80% on
>> > metacritic.
>>
>> Oh fucking please! Heavenly Sword is an 8.1 on Gamerankings and 7.9 on
>> Meta
>> (averages out and Meta uses a funky translating scoring system when
>> converting an alphabet scoring system to a numeric). Ratchet & Clank is
>> 9.0
>> on Meta and Gamerankings.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Oh please what? Like I said, with the exception of Ratchet & Klank,
> all those titles received mediocre scores.
>

You said ONLY Warhawk was the only one to crack 8.0 and HS ranks rights
there, you fanbitch!

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 9:21 am
From: "Big Daddy"

"Robert P Holley" <holleyrp@delanet.com> wrote in message
> In fairness the installed base for the X360 in the US is much higher
> than the PS3's. In any event, I was one of those 97,000 people who
> bought it and couldn't be more satisfied. The game is great fun.

It's on my list, but I bought GH3 this week and getting COD4 next week, so
not sure when I'll be able to pick it up. I may ask for it for christmas.
I still want the Simpsons, possibly Rock Band, possibly Assasins Creed, etc.
There are a lot of good games coming out

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TOPIC: Ex Developer Says PS3 NOT as powerful as 360
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/dbb509b694fd0a24?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 7:14 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Oct 31, 11:03 pm, "Big Daddy" <nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "The alMIGHTY N" <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > If that were true, more people would be more willing to forgive.
>
> No *people* would still bash because they hate Sony.
>
> > However, you are absolutely incorrect. The *final* development kits
> > were released to studios in August, 3 months before launch. Those were
> > third-generatioin development kits with final specs exactly matching
> > the Playstation 3.
>
> > The first development kits were sent out to select third-party
> > developers in early 2005! EA, Epic and other larger companies were
> > already developing games by the time E3 2005 rolled around in May of
> > that year.
>
> They only released around 100 dev kits in June of 2005 (not early 2005).
> The released close to 10,000 3 months before release in 2006 (August).

EA and Epic had development kits well before June of 2005. They were
already showing demos at E3 that were built using the dev kits they
received. Dev kits were in developers' hands as early as April of
2005. Granted, not everybody had them, but the big companies did.

In either case, developers didn't have these kits "for years" as the
previous poster claimed.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 7:16 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Oct 31, 4:36 pm, slayerma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Oct 31, 1:23 pm, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 30, 3:49 pm, slayerma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 30, 12:23 pm, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > and Portal sounds pretty cool. I'm not a big fan of online
> > > > deathmatches usually so I don't know that Team Fortress would be that
> > > > interesting to me (love the art style, though).
>
> > > TF2 is not an online deathmatch.
>
> > I know, I'm just making a generalization... I was never really into
> > online competitive modes because for many games people just cheat or
> > just fling insults at each other that are annoying to listen to.
>
> > I like coop modes myself.
>
> As far as I have seen on both systems, TF2 has no cheating (apart from
> the heavy running while firing gun bug which was fixed) and the crowds
> tend to be mostly mature. Most people are smart enough to take hits
> for the team (like you wouldn't see a full team of snipers, because
> they would get rolled by a spy) and play useful classes like heavy and
> medic because it's fun. Muting spamming idiots is a rare occasion but
> they made it very simple.
>
> I would give TOB a shot, at the very least for Portal.

I might rent it soon but I definitely won't be buying it anytime soon.
I ended my moratorium on console games but I'm still holding back
because I can't spend the way I used to with a kid now. I bought
Guitar Hero III with the guitar yesterday and I probably won't buy
another game until Rock Band, after which I probably won't buy another
game until 2008 (unless I give in to my temptation to get the
Collector's Edition of Mass Effect).

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 7:28 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Oct 31, 7:09 pm, Doug Jacobs <djac...@shell.rawbw.com> wrote:
> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 The King of Gaming <king.of.gam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Wow, it's the Doug Jacobs Troll, who has no real intention of owning
> > *any* next gen console anytime soon, complaining about the PS3 again.
> > Who'da thunk it?
>
> Yeah, I'm a troll because I happen to think HOME is a stupid idea.
>
> > Can we at least wait untill it comes out and see how it is?
>
> Based on Sony's demos and press releases about HOME, I fail to see how
> it's a good idea.

It looks like Second Life (albeit with better graphics). Sony's
description of it sounds just like Second Life (with a much more
limited world, of course). Journalists and the like who have seen it
liken it to Second Life.

If there were no Second Life, this could be a big hit because you'd
have all those geeks who are now playing Second Life jumping on that
instead.

The fact that there already is a Second Life makes it harder for this
thing to be really successful because people who are going to be
interested in playing something like Second Life, Playstation 3 fans
or not, are probably already playing that already and won't want to
divert time from their alternate reality to hop on a more limited and
specialized version of it.

What I'm hoping Sony does is provide a plain vanilla online interface
for people who simply want to set up online games or do simple
chatting so they don't have to jump through hoops to do it. I haven't
read anywhere that Sony is planning on anything but the virtual world,
which means that players will have to walk around this virtual world
just to do things they should be able to do in a matter of seconds.

That's the biggest problem with this. I think it's wrong to say that
this Home project on its own is going to be bad. I'm not really
interested and many people won't be, but the success of Second Life
proves that the idea is viable. The problems come when you consider
that gamers are pretty much forced to interact with this even if
they're just trying to watch a trailer.

So...

Does anybody know if Sony has announced that the Playstation Network
as it exists is still going to be around and Second Life Lite will
just be another way to get online... or is Home going to just replace
what PS3 gamers have now? If the former, it's not that bad a thing,
personal opinions aside.

> 1: As Sony's answer to XBox Live, it's a failure as not all games - by
> Sony's design - have to use HOME. This results in a rather fragmented
> online experience like the PS2 had, and makes some of the strongest
> features of XBox Live impossible to truely recreate on the PS3.
>
> This isn't the PS2 we're talking about here, where Sony got blindsided by
> Microsoft for not having a solid networking/multiplayer plan in place.
> Sony has had years to analyze what Microsoft has done and prepare for the
> launch of the PS3. Yet, even after delaying the PS3 for 6 months, there
> was no network. Several PS3 games had to drop(!) their online component
> altogether because the developers couldn't afford to wait for Sony to make
> up their mind.
>
> And now, you're telling me that ~18 months into the PS3's life, we might
> possibly, finally, have something that *SHOULD* have been ready well in
> advance of the PS3's launch 2 years ago? Think about it. Microsoft
> already had its plans for the 360's online service - including
> Achievements and everything else - already defined and working about a
> year before the 360 came out. This gave developers ample time to
> integrate Live with their launch titles.
>
> 2: If Sony expects me to spend serious time walking around this virtual
> world of theirs - which is totally free - how exactly am I generating any
> revenue for Sony? Since Sony's network is free, me hanging out on HOME
> all the time means I'm not buying games or movies. In fact, hanging out
> online means I'm *costing* Sony money. Yes, I know, Sony talked about
> having ads on HOME. However Sony is deluding themselves if they seriously
> think that ad-revenue is going to be enough to support the networking
> infrastructure needed for millions of online loafers. Furthermore, if
> HOME gets overridden with ads, is anyone really going to want to use it?
>
> At least if I'm playing an online game against someone on Live, I've
> already given Microsoft $50. Most of that will be going towards
> maintaining Live itself. I doubt Microsoft makes that much profit from
> that.
>
> 3: Trophies. In my virtual apartment. Do I really need to explain why this
> is perhaps the lamest idea I've ever heard?
>
> 4: Walking around the virtual world to go to the virtual store to buy my
> downloads. Yeah, OK, that might be cute once or twice, but really? Just
> give me a menu. I don't want to have to make my avatar interact with some
> virtual store avatar just to download a movie trailer or a game. Is Sony
> really thinking that people bought a PS3 just to pretend to be a virtual
> person buying movies in a virtual store?
>
> Home could have had some great potential - such as allowing people to
> customize their avatars with items from games they've played, and then
> take those avatars into whatever game you want. Why not, eh? That would
> be truly impressive. Sony could even charge for accessories for your
> avatar to wear. At least that would make more sense than buying a stupid
> virtual couch object for your stupid virtual apartment that NO ONE ELSE
> WANTS TO SEE.
>
> With people complaining that Sony's network is already pretty slow, can
> you imagine what HOME will be like with all those users on it, not to
> mention all the animated/video ads. Yeah, that's just what *I* want - a
> slower, lamer version of Second Life that costs $400.
>
> --
> It's not broken. It's...advanced.

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TOPIC: Ratchet and Clank Attacks Xbox Weak Point for Massive Damage
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/c81f8b53e338c9a7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 7:27 am
From: "Tom"

<slayerman89@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1193866478.885563.188900@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 31, 1:47 pm, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>> <slayerma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > On Oct 29, 7:34 pm, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>> >> But, if you consider the install base of PC gamers to 360 gamers, Halo
>> >> 3
>> >> sales have shattered sales records, and PC games are much cheaper too.
>>
>> > I can't imagine why you would think that.
>>
>> Explain how a PC game, and you know the install base for (gaming) PCs far
>> outnumbers 360, wasn't shattered in sales numbers bu H3. I just showed
>> where
>> both games sold about the same the first day. But Halo sold those numbers
>> just in the US. If you go to date, Halo 3 is almost @ 6 million total,
>> whereas WoWBC hasn't hit 5mil since being released last January. I'd say
>> it
>> shattered it sales, if going by the numbers. How many Halo3 copies would
>> have sold had it been a worldwide launch like WoWBC?
>
> Moot point, because it wasn't, and it wouldn't have mattered anyways
> because Halo is mostly an American thing. The fact that you bring up
> Halo3 being 6 million to date, and BC sales not changing since January
> really shows how much it sold in the first month.

Well, you were picking on the term being used "shattered" not applying,
where I showed it did, you somehow got off this point, but oh well, have it
your way.

>
> I was saying I can't imagine why you think PC games are cheaper. BC
> was $59.99, just like most other new games.

Most PC games do not cost as much as console games.

>
>> This should expand further how to conpare Halo3 against BC, which
>> according
>> Wiki, "It was released on January 17, 2007 in Canada, New Zealand, South
>> Africa, and Singapore; in total, approximately 3.1 million copies were
>> sold
>> across these territories in the first month of release, including 1.5
>> million in North America and nearly 1.2 million in Europe.[4] It was
>> later
>> released on February 1, 2007 in South Korea, April 30, 2007 in Taiwan, as
>> well as the regions of Hong Kong and Macau.[5][6] Availability in Chinese
>> will be announced in the near future."
>
> All of this means nothing. We aren't talking about what WOULD have
> happened had H3 been released worldwide, we are talking about two
> games and how much they sold.

And Halo3 shatters anything that BC did in any time frame, that as it simply
did just in the US, yet you won't relate that this is a big thing
considering BC did its sales totals from a worldwide release. Discounting
the fact that H3 wasn't a WW release doesn't make it not shatter what BC
did. You know had it been released the same way, that the sales numbers
would have been substantially higher.

>
>> BC had 3.1 million it's first month, yet Halo3 did over 3.3 million it's
>> first week, just in the US.
>
> The 3.1 million of BC was mostly in the first two weeks.

So, it still did 3.1 million its first month, whether or not it sold
2,999,999 copies its first two weeks is irrelevant to the 3.1mil total that
is mentioned.

> We are not
> talking about what sold more, just saying Halo 3 shattered all sales
> records known to man is completely untrue.

I wasn't talking about "all sales records", just your comparison to BC when
you specified that game.
Anyway, wouldn't selling more mean that it breaks records in this instance,
you don't make sense?

> I wouldn't say H3 shattered
> any records. BC shattered a record, and then H3 broke that.

Well, you are now saying BC shattered a record, and did most of its numbers
in two weeks, yet Halo3 sold more just in the US in one week, as I already
have shown you; make up your mind what shattered means to you.

>
>> >> The WoW (released in 2004) was a bigger hit than BC by far, it has
>> >> over 9
>> >> million.
>>
>> > We are talking about sales records. WoW barely made a blip it's first
>> > month. BC set PC sales records and is the fastest selling PC game of
>> > all time. You can't say that WoW is a bigger hit than it's expansion
>> > because you have to buy WoW for BC to be any use.
>>
>> Well, I would say it is a bigger hit for sales, as the numbers show that.
>> Do
>> you think that BC will sell over 9 million? And, according to Wiki,
>> "There
>> are more than 2 million players in North America, 1.5 million players in
>> Europe and 3.5 million players in China as of January, 2007 and as of
>> August, 2007; the game has over 8 million subscribers worldwide."
>> That is just for WoW and going still well into 2007.
>
> We are talking about SALES RECORDS. The only SALES RECORDS that H3
> would take is how fast it sold in it's first month. WoW cannot compete
> with that, because it took WoW a while to catch on.

OK forget Wow, but the fact that it sold 9 million copies is nothing to
sneeze at, anyway--------

> The expansion
> however, did set sales records that Halo 3 barely surpassed, which is
> what we are talking about.
>

Barely surpassed? LOL, I showed you their respective monthly time frames for
both H3 and BC, again, H3 sold 3.3 million its first week in just the US, it
did 5.5mil its first month, WW. It took one month for BC to do 3.1 million,
WW. At what threshold does "shattered" apply to you?

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TOPIC: WTF??? PS3 version of PES 2008 has worse framerate drops/slow-downs
than the 360??
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/d16e71798df5a48d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 7:41 am
From: Holy Moses

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 06:29:54 GMT, John Adams <me@none.invalid> wrote:

>Holy Moses wrote:
>
>> So, an opinion of FIFA08 is better than the PES 2008 demo is a fact to
>> you then? Wow, that makes alot of sense, milkweg. LOL!
>
>They are more than opinions, they are facts because they are true. Give
>up your PES, for this year anyway, and come join the big dogs.

FIFA08's shit. Admit it, PES is just too hard and difficult for you.
Real men play PES, little doggies play FIFA. Now, that's the truth.

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TOPIC: OT: Warner may be Blu-Ray exclusive next year
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/5e0bd27485f6bd6a?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 7:43 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Warner/Warner_Mulls_Change_in_High-Def_Strategy/1123

My apologies if this was already posted. I just read it a few moments
ago.

If Warner were to become a Blu-Ray exclusive studio, that would pretty
much seal the deal because Warner is by far the biggest next-gen
format releaser of all the studios and has an excellent portfolio of
titles.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 8:57 am
From: "CellFish"

"The alMIGHTY N" <natlee75@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193928237.176377.43820@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Warner/Warner_Mulls_Change_in_High-Def_Strategy/1123
>
> My apologies if this was already posted. I just read it a few moments
> ago.
>
> If Warner were to become a Blu-Ray exclusive studio, that would pretty
> much seal the deal because Warner is by far the biggest next-gen
> format releaser of all the studios and has an excellent portfolio of
> titles.
>

I would agree about that. Warner being exclusive on Blu-Ray would weaken
HD-DVD considerably. I still love movies from Universal and Paramount
studios though.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 9:15 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Nov 1, 11:57 am, "CellFish" <nomores...@forme.com> wrote:
> "The alMIGHTY N" <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1193928237.176377.43820@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Warner/Warner_Mulls_Change_in_...
>
> > My apologies if this was already posted. I just read it a few moments
> > ago.
>
> > If Warner were to become a Blu-Ray exclusive studio, that would pretty
> > much seal the deal because Warner is by far the biggest next-gen
> > format releaser of all the studios and has an excellent portfolio of
> > titles.
>
> I would agree about that. Warner being exclusive on Blu-Ray would weaken
> HD-DVD considerably. I still love movies from Universal and Paramount
> studios though.

I'm pretty sure I have favorite movies from all the different studios.
On the Blu-Ray side, it's hard to ignore the Spider-man movies, the
Terminator movies, the soon-to-be-released Aliens films, anything from
Disney, and other similar major titles.

Whether any specific person likes them or not, they're still going to
be huge movies that will sell well, relative to the size of the
market.

Once those dual-format players hit reasonable pricing levels, this
whole format war will be irrelevant.

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TOPIC: Elite 65nm "Falcon" available when?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/cdf34b56f2a39ff4?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 7:47 am
From: Holy Moses

http://forums.xbox.com/15804553/ShowPost.aspx.

But I just don't see the big deal in having the falcon mobo with the
65nm fab CPU, even if it has those new heatsinks in them now. The
problem is, it's just the CPU in the 65nm fab form, not the GPU as
well and the GPU is the main culprit for all the RROD/overheating
problems associated with the 360.

I doubt if the RROD/overheating problems will significantly reduce
because of the new mobo, the new heatsink and the 65nm CPU. I'm
waiting until the 360s start coming out with the 65nm GPU in them,
which supposedly will be about this time next year.

In the meantime, I'll just have to hope that the new console I got
back from M$ will last me that long. I doubt it though. I'll
probably end up sending it in for another replacement before that.

On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 00:32:27 -0500, "luckyvic" <vsalvatore@charter.net>
wrote:

>OK, thanks. Is there a lot number and manufacter date I should look for?
>
>"Jonah Falcon" <jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:1193894974.838288.77480@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 1, 1:10 am, "luckyvic" <vsalvat...@charter.net> wrote:
>>> Any info, rumors, sightings, anything?
>>
>> Um, it's been out for a while now.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 8:00 am
From: Robert P Holley

On Nov 1, 1:32 am, "luckyvic" <vsalvat...@charter.net> wrote:
> OK, thanks. Is there a lot number and manufacter date I should look for?

Yes, it's my understanding that lot #0734 or later will include the
newer chip-set. The manufacturing date should be 8/24/07 or later.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 8:29 am
From: "luckyvic"

Thanks for the helpful info, really do appreciate it.

"Holy Moses" <Holy@Moses.com> wrote in message
news:6epji3pf85rc6r4o98olt8g182h65ql52h@4ax.com...
> http://forums.xbox.com/15804553/ShowPost.aspx.
>
> But I just don't see the big deal in having the falcon mobo with the
> 65nm fab CPU, even if it has those new heatsinks in them now. The
> problem is, it's just the CPU in the 65nm fab form, not the GPU as
> well and the GPU is the main culprit for all the RROD/overheating
> problems associated with the 360.
>
> I doubt if the RROD/overheating problems will significantly reduce
> because of the new mobo, the new heatsink and the 65nm CPU. I'm
> waiting until the 360s start coming out with the 65nm GPU in them,
> which supposedly will be about this time next year.
>
> In the meantime, I'll just have to hope that the new console I got
> back from M$ will last me that long. I doubt it though. I'll
> probably end up sending it in for another replacement before that.
>
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 00:32:27 -0500, "luckyvic" <vsalvatore@charter.net>
> wrote:
>
>>OK, thanks. Is there a lot number and manufacter date I should look for?
>>
>>"Jonah Falcon" <jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>news:1193894974.838288.77480@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Nov 1, 1:10 am, "luckyvic" <vsalvat...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>> Any info, rumors, sightings, anything?
>>>
>>> Um, it's been out for a while now.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 8:30 am
From: "luckyvic"

Thank you for the info, really do appreciate it.

"Robert P Holley" <holleyrp@delanet.com> wrote in message
news:1193929201.660999.326200@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 1, 1:32 am, "luckyvic" <vsalvat...@charter.net> wrote:
>> OK, thanks. Is there a lot number and manufacter date I should look for?
>
> Yes, it's my understanding that lot #0734 or later will include the
> newer chip-set. The manufacturing date should be 8/24/07 or later.
>

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TOPIC: Do any of the new 360s have the newer chip?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/9b47c09723720eca?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 7:57 am
From: Robert P Holley

On Oct 31, 11:21 pm, Kat.Ha...@gmail.com wrote:
> Does the Arcade or any other 360 run cooler or have any performance
> gains over the older ones?
>
> Thanks.

If you're in the market to buy one, try to get one with a lot number
of 0734 or higher (or manufactured date 8/24/07 or newer). They should
have the cooler chip-set in them. The lot number printed on a white
sticker found on the left side of the boxes.

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TOPIC: Using a Wireless Router instead of the Xbox Branded one?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/080457b48604ccb8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 8:48 am
From: Andrew

On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:32:13 -0400, "Rob S" <1@1.com> wrote:

>you can use any wireless router, but you really need the microsoft wireless
>adapter, becasue 360 does not have any drivers.

Ethernet is Ethernet. No drivers are required.
--
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Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards,
please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text.
Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question.

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TOPIC: Why Uncharted can only be on PS3
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/c8045f7b835600cd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 9:17 am
From: HidariMak

On Nov 1, 7:24 am, Jordan <lu...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Oct 31, 10:54 am, "boodybandit" <allaboutga...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Going by this, the game needs Blu-Ray
>
> >http://ps3.qj.net/Unchartered-Drake-s-Fortune-why-it-s-only-possible-...
>
> There's only one reason any game needs Blu-Ray... it's being made by a
> developer owned by Sony.

Uncharted isn't even out yet, so it's all just down to "my unreleased
product is going to blow away the competition and redefine gaming"
hype. We only see this for a few dozen titles each year,minimal.

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TOPIC: Clive Barker's Jericho -Disappointment
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/e58c0e32cb72dd95?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 9:17 am
From: stars20226@hotmail.com

On Oct 30, 7:39 pm, KS...@webtv.net (Private Private) wrote:
> I bought Jericho today, played about 1 hours worth and hated every
> minute of it.

Oh dear lord, I am so sorry to hear about that.

To make up for the emptiness you feel inside over wasting that time in
your life, you need to look forward to DST and get TWO good titles
next week!

You'll feel better :)

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TOPIC: Metal Gear Solid 4 delayed further... again
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/67e3fc0a0644ef8e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 9:25 am
From: "Big Daddy"

"CellFish" <nomorespam@forme.com> wrote in message
news:4728b27b$0$30121$7836cce5@newsrazor.net...
> So Metal Gear Solid 4 will definitely get a 9 or a 9.5 from various
> magazines, but will it make me want to buy it? Hell no because 1, 2 and 3
> were gigantic disappointments to me.

Well I personally don't like the series, but apparantly a lot of people due,
hence the good reviews and the large sales. Same is true for Halo (I liked
the first one, never even finished the second one). So while i personally
am not enthusiastic about those titles, I understand that a lot of people
are.

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