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* Observation about SONY's Blu-Ray demo disc - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/6f718f20a6509b6d?hl=en
* WTF??? PS3 version of PES 2008 has worse framerate drops/slow-downs than the
360?? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/d16e71798df5a48d?hl=en
* Ratchett and Clanks sells a whopping 97,000 copies in first week! - 3
messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/e0c2b7ea4f8bca94?hl=en
* FREE SHIPPING! DVDs are 100% brand new, and factory sealed! good quality and
cheap price! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/1923b1bcb447527c?hl=en
* GH3: Raining Blood - 5 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/b6082eff98360e8e?hl=en
* New $99, 'compact' PS2 to arrive in 2008 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/585c5a1123fe3172?hl=en
* Table Tennis for Wii - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/f049cd425632a068?hl=en
* Fight Night Round 3 Online Shit - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/db37ece3a4f68bef?hl=en
* GOOD NEWS ! DVDS FACTORY SALE! good quality and cheap price! AND FREE
SHIPPING! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/8cfc4f7842c97bfd?hl=en
* what games - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/e260f7900480f15c?hl=en
* OT: Hellgate: London review - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/2c2f77695961d187?hl=en
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TOPIC: Observation about SONY's Blu-Ray demo disc
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/6f718f20a6509b6d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 11:49 am
From: "Khee Mao"
"RMZ" <Jeremy.Deats@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1193936834.370471.150360@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>I noticed they show a clip from Pirates of The Carribean in Blu-Ray"
> and they have at least doubled the frame rate of the clip to help make
> it stand out more. Theatrical movies are shown at around 24 fps and
> many HDTV's have a feature called 3:2 pulldown to help simulate this
> effect even.
>
> So my question to those with HD-DVD and Blu-Ray is: do you notice a
> change in frame rate vs DVD?
>
no, but how do you conclude they "at least doubled the frame rate of the
clip to help make it stand out more?"
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TOPIC: WTF??? PS3 version of PES 2008 has worse framerate drops/slow-downs
than the 360??
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/d16e71798df5a48d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 12:12 pm
From: John Adams
Holy Moses wrote:
> Then STFU about FIFA being better than the PES when the original
> thread had nothing to do with it, you fucknig cunt. OK? Good.
But it is, you fucking wanker.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 12:20 pm
From: Holy Moses
On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:12:51 GMT, John Adams <me@none.invalid> wrote:
>Holy Moses wrote:
>
>> Then STFU about FIFA being better than the PES when the original
>> thread had nothing to do with it, you fucknig cunt. OK? Good.
>
>But it is, you fucking wanker.
So, you admit then that you're a little bitch punk ass who can't
handle PES' realism and would rather prefer to play arcade game like
FIFA so you can feel good about yourself? OK, that clears it up.
Thanks for settling that for me. Now this argument can be put to
rest.
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TOPIC: Ratchett and Clanks sells a whopping 97,000 copies in first week!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/e0c2b7ea4f8bca94?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 2:04 pm
From: "tcurtis"
I don't know so much about all the finger pointing back and forth. "My
game's better than your game, cause your game's a stoopid poopie head" or
whatever childish drivel goes back and forth between "Xbots" and Fanboys" as
I think they are normally referred to - But I have played each of the R & C
games thus far with the exception of Size Matters (Because I don't have a
PSP) and I find them quite enjoyable. When I finally get to the point where
I buy a PS3 - R & C will be the first game I purchase.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 3:14 pm
From: "Tom"
"Jordan" <lundj@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Nov 2, 6:54 am, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
>
>> 97,000 copies of a game that was supposed to be a flagship title is an
>> absolute joke, It's barely worth comparing to even the crappiest of
>> 360 titles.
>
> Even worse than that, Namco said, about a year ago, that they have to
> sell 500,000 copies to turn a profit.
>
> http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/namco-ps3-games-must-sell-500k-for-profit-218215.php
>
> - Jordan
>
Well, you need to take that article from a year ago for its context then, it
doesn't add up now. Here are parts of that article (not nessecarily in order
of how it reads in the article):
"Graphics for the high-definition games cost about 1 billion yen ($8.6
million) to create, more than double that for Nintendo Co.'s Wii titles,
Takasu said in a Tokyo interview Nov. 28."
``We have to sell at least 500,000 copies per title worldwide to make a
profit on PlayStation 3 games,'' said Takasu. He said titles for the new
Sony console are ``selling well.''
Why wouldn't those cost apply to the 360 for HD game expenses?
More:
"Shortages of the PlayStation 3 may also make it more difficult for software
makers to sell enough games. Tokyo-based Sony halved shipment targets for
the console this year and delayed the European release amid a dearth for
some parts. The company may have missed its goal of shipping 400,000
consoles in the U.S. earlier this month, according to analysts including
Jeetil Patel at Deutsche Bank Securities in San Francisco."
Wasn't there shortages for the 360 and adding that, how would that apply
today since the PS3 now has close to a 5.5mil install base?
Anyway, more:
``Game makers may hesitate to make games for a console if its shipment is
being delayed,'' said Yuuki Sakurai, who helps manage $6.02 billion at
Fukoku Mutual Life Insurance Co. in Tokyo. ``Some game makers may wait until
a console becomes popular because of increasing production costs.''
Again, now we have almost 5.5mil PS3 out there, you're stating an article
that wouldn't apply today, but more here:
"Tokyo-based Namco Bandai expects games for the consoles introduced this
month by Sony and Nintendo and a year ago by Microsoft Corp. to account for
10 percent of software sales, or 3.15 million units, this fiscal year ending
March 31, Takasu said. The company sold about 26,000 titles for Microsoft's
Xbox 360 last year, when it was introduced."
Let's see, when Namco releasd titles for the 360 the previous year (and the
360 had less consoles installed relative to the PS3 at the end of "06",
correct me if I am worng on this), it sold 26,000 titles. Didn't they just
state that they need to sell 500K to make a profit for HD games, yet only
sold 26,000 HD titles for the 360?
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 11:06 pm
From: "Texan_2112"
"Tom" <noway@nothere.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jordan" <lundj@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:1194056604.374910.240970@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 2, 6:54 am, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
>>
>>> 97,000 copies of a game that was supposed to be a flagship title
>>> is an
>>> absolute joke, It's barely worth comparing to even the crappiest
>>> of
>>> 360 titles.
>>
>> Even worse than that, Namco said, about a year ago, that they have
>> to
>> sell 500,000 copies to turn a profit.
>>
>> http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/namco-ps3-games-must-sell-500k-for-profit-218215.php
>>
>> - Jordan
>>
>
> Well, you need to take that article from a year ago for its context
> then, it
> doesn't add up now. Here are parts of that article (not nessecarily
> in order
> of how it reads in the article):
>
> "Graphics for the high-definition games cost about 1 billion yen
> ($8.6
> million) to create, more than double that for Nintendo Co.'s Wii
> titles,
> Takasu said in a Tokyo interview Nov. 28."
>
> ``We have to sell at least 500,000 copies per title worldwide to
> make a
> profit on PlayStation 3 games,'' said Takasu. He said titles for the
> new
> Sony console are ``selling well.''
>
> Why wouldn't those cost apply to the 360 for HD game expenses?
>
> More:
>
> "Shortages of the PlayStation 3 may also make it more difficult for
> software
> makers to sell enough games. Tokyo-based Sony halved shipment
> targets for
> the console this year and delayed the European release amid a dearth
> for
> some parts. The company may have missed its goal of shipping 400,000
> consoles in the U.S. earlier this month, according to analysts
> including
> Jeetil Patel at Deutsche Bank Securities in San Francisco."
>
> Wasn't there shortages for the 360 and adding that, how would that
> apply
> today since the PS3 now has close to a 5.5mil install base?
>
> Anyway, more:
>
> ``Game makers may hesitate to make games for a console if its
> shipment is
> being delayed,'' said Yuuki Sakurai, who helps manage $6.02 billion
> at
> Fukoku Mutual Life Insurance Co. in Tokyo. ``Some game makers may
> wait until
> a console becomes popular because of increasing production costs.''
>
> Again, now we have almost 5.5mil PS3 out there, you're stating an
> article
> that wouldn't apply today, but more here:
>
> "Tokyo-based Namco Bandai expects games for the consoles introduced
> this
> month by Sony and Nintendo and a year ago by Microsoft Corp. to
> account for
> 10 percent of software sales, or 3.15 million units, this fiscal
> year ending
> March 31, Takasu said. The company sold about 26,000 titles for
> Microsoft's
> Xbox 360 last year, when it was introduced."
>
> Let's see, when Namco releasd titles for the 360 the previous year
> (and the
> 360 had less consoles installed relative to the PS3 at the end of
> "06",
> correct me if I am worng on this), it sold 26,000 titles. Didn't
> they just
> state that they need to sell 500K to make a profit for HD games, yet
> only
> sold 26,000 HD titles for the 360?
>
>
You are not taking into account the greater expense developing for the
PS3 due to it's learning curve and overall difficulty in crafting
optimized code, which we have seen as one ps3 title after another is
delayed. Overhead costs for 360 development are much lower, and can be
shared with the pc, and possible other platforms such as mobile, etc.
Admittedly 26K units moved in a year is probably not very profitable,
but it comes a lot closer to creating a real profit to the publisher
and developer than ps3 software sales are at this time.
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TOPIC: FREE SHIPPING! DVDs are 100% brand new, and factory sealed! good
quality and cheap price!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 2:17 pm
From: "Tom"
I was being facetious and sarcastic as the site is a scam. Did you look at
the namesake in the top left corner, and what it says? It is clearly broken
English;
(literally looks this way in words)
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"Vidar Olavesen" <olavese@online.no> wrote in message
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> And what's free shipping? I tested and wanted to buy 3 box sets, but
> shipping was almost as much as the items. That's free for you. And not too
> sure, they have Star Trek original series box 1-3 and list them in one
> item, if USD 25 or whatever it was is the right price, that's cheap and I
> expect poor quality. Don't know if I want to order. Anybody got anything
> from there? Is it cheap burned DVD's or pressed ones?
>
> "Tom" <jimvernes@hotmail.com> skrev i melding
> news:1194073961.404539.269190@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 3, 1:54 am, helen <wswsq...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Please visit:JiangSu YanYi video supermarket (www.nicedvder.com)
>>>
>>
>> <snipped>
>>
>> Can you send me these COD?
>>
>>
>
>
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TOPIC: GH3: Raining Blood
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/b6082eff98360e8e?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 3:18 pm
From: Jordan
On Nov 3, 6:57 am, Mitch@... wrote:
> I'm playing on Hard mode, and just got to this wicked song.
> It's killing me. I can't even do the Mosh section on slow practice
> mode.
>
> Any tips?
Man, I wish. I warmed up on Easy and that was the only one I couldn't
hack.
- Jordan
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 3:47 pm
From: Mitch@...
>
>Man, I wish. I warmed up on Easy and that was the only one I couldn't
>hack.
I went back and played the whole game on medium today. What a
snore-fest. So boring because of how easy it is, but I wanted to see
the end of the game.
The difference for Raining Blood between Medium and Hard is LUDICROUS.
On Medium, the mosh section is simple. On Hard, it's ridiculously
fast strings of pull-offs.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 4:38 pm
From: "JOE"
<Mitch@...> wrote in message
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>
> >
> >Man, I wish. I warmed up on Easy and that was the only one I couldn't
> >hack.
>
> I went back and played the whole game on medium today. What a
> snore-fest. So boring because of how easy it is, but I wanted to see
> the end of the game.
>
> The difference for Raining Blood between Medium and Hard is LUDICROUS.
> On Medium, the mosh section is simple. On Hard, it's ridiculously
> fast strings of pull-offs.
Maybe for you I still have problems on the easy settings on these type of
rythem games. I was never good at DDR either.
I still don't know how people think that by playing these type of games
makes you a rock star. If you solve DDR does that mean you become a dance
professional?
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 5:28 pm
From: NiGHTS
> I still don't know how people think that by playing these type of games
> makes you a rock star.
Uh, they don't?
--
NiGHTS/Nightcrawler [mWo]
Fear Is The Mindkiller
"just a curtain jerking jobber here in RSPWland" -Lord Gow
"a laughably shitty shitbag" -The Teacher
"pretty pathetic" -rwa2play
"a sarcastic douchebag" -Cain
"NiGHTS is gay!!!" -Corey
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 6:29 pm
From: "Big Daddy"
"Jordan" <lundj@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Nov 3, 6:57 am, Mitch@... wrote:
>> I'm playing on Hard mode, and just got to this wicked song.
>> It's killing me. I can't even do the Mosh section on slow practice
>> mode.
>>
>> Any tips?
>
> Man, I wish. I warmed up on Easy and that was the only one I couldn't
> hack.
I just finished it on easy by more or less getting lucky. No way I'd ever
get it on any other level.
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TOPIC: New $99, 'compact' PS2 to arrive in 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/585c5a1123fe3172?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 3:22 pm
From: Jordan
On Nov 3, 3:53 am, Ross Ridge <rri...@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
wrote:
> >If cost really was a big deal to Sony, why didn't they nix the Wifi?
>
> According to the a teardown of the PlayStation 3 back when it was
> released the WiFi module was estimated to cost Sony $15.50, while the
> cost of the PS2 chips (EE and GS) were estimated at $27. If Sony is
> able to competively source the WiFi components (eg. the drivers are in
> the PS3's flash ROM rather than the PS3 game disks), then they would
> have more leverage to get the price of the WiFi components reduced than
> the PS2 components.
They have also stated that they want to closely tie the PSP to the PS3
via WiFi which is why they kept it over BC.
- Jordan
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TOPIC: Table Tennis for Wii
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/f049cd425632a068?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 6:26 pm
From: "Guest"
"Vidar Olavesen" <olavese@online.no> wrote in message
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>>> See, Wii commercials must show real people and they try not to show the
>>> Wii graphics as much as possible. REAL systems(360,PS3) show their
>>> graphics only and sometimes you think it is real. Fuck a Wii!
>>>
>>> I see the Wii BS has died down now...
>>
>> I would have considered the Wii version except for 2 things... it's
>> twice the price of the 360 version now and the paddle swing is not 1:1
>> with the real life Wiimote movement. :^(
>>
>> - Jordan
>
> Here in Norway, it's about half price of the usual Wii games (about GBP
> 20)
>
> And for the REAL systems, XBox Halo 3 has crappy framerate, I rather have
> lower res and 60fps. And Metroid Prime 3 looks like a hell of a game to
> me. I have about 15 XBox 360 games, I can't say I am too impressed with
> most of them. Prey has the same crappy framerate, GoW is fairly boring,
> though with good framerate. Best of the ones I have is Enchanted Arms, but
> it too gets a bit boring with all the random battles. Oblivion could have
> been a great game, slow loading and crap framerate takes it down.
>
> That said, I haven't been impressed with much of the Wii graphics either,
> Zelda was awesome though. And I think Metroid Prime 3 will be a killer
> game, I loved the two GC ones. Still Laser Hockey on Wii Play is fun, even
> if it doesn't have killer graphics. Most important is playability and that
> has nothing to do with REAL consoles or UNREAL ones.
>
Don't tell me what is most important.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 6:29 pm
From: "Guest"
"Rich Hutnik" <getrich@1upandup.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 29, 1:36 am, "Guest" <llco...@aol.com> wrote:
>> See, Wii commercials must show real people and they try not to show the
>> Wii graphics as much as possible. REAL systems(360,PS3) show their
>> graphics only and sometimes you think it is real. Fuck a Wii!
>>
>> I see the Wii BS has died down now...
>
> A DS is a "real system".
A DS is a toy.
By your standards then, a PS2 is not a real
No, in it's generation, it was real. Even the Gamecube was real in the last
generation.
> system, as the Wii has better graphics than it. When does a system
> stop being "real" in your book?
When it is nothing more than an overcocked version of the last model and it
can't even touch the REAL systems in anything.
>
> As for showing people, the Wii is about PEOPLE playing games, and
> having a good time. It is a cheap beer that people can get some
> laughs from. It is NOT about the latest and greatest in graphics.
In other words, it ain't about shit?
>
> - Rich
>
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TOPIC: Fight Night Round 3 Online Shit
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/db37ece3a4f68bef?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 6:32 pm
From: "Guest"
I know this game is old, but online I still play this one most. I hate the fact that I cannot select options and choose any and every fighter or weight class. I also hate the fact that some opponents fighters seem to be faster than mine or even faster when I used their fighter. Also, how come when I throw a punch, my guy becomes immobilized and cannot move while the other guy can give me a good punch? If that bullshit would end, I would never lose.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 6:35 pm
From: "Stu"
dry yer eyes
"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in message news:HKudnQU6CZWCvLDanZ2dnUVZ_qWtnZ2d@comcast.com...
I know this game is old, but online I still play this one most. I hate the fact that I cannot select options and choose any and every fighter or weight class. I also hate the fact that some opponents fighters seem to be faster than mine or even faster when I used their fighter. Also, how come when I throw a punch, my guy becomes immobilized and cannot move while the other guy can give me a good punch? If that bullshit would end, I would never lose.
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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: what games
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/e260f7900480f15c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 9:44 pm
From: KSDJ1@webtv.net (Private Private)
Actually (Surf's Up) is pretty fun , I played the demo and it was a very
fun playing ,game, with allot of easy trick moves while surfing. Surf's
Up I would highly recommend. The graphics were crisp and the gameplay
was smooth and well polished. I could easily see a 10 yr old loving
that game.
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TOPIC: OT: Hellgate: London review
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/2c2f77695961d187?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 3 2007 11:00 pm
From: "Spork"
"Jonah Falcon" <jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:1194098431.055617.39780@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 3, 4:55 am, Jordan <lu...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> On Nov 2, 8:56 pm, Jonah Falcon <jonahny...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/11/02/review-hellgate-london-pc/
>>
>> > (sigh)
>>
>> A shame considering the early buzz for it. Gamerankings puts it at 77%
>> with a high score of 89% and a low score of 60%
>
> The high score is PC Gamer (a print magazine), and you know how early
> they'd have had to have a copy of the game to have a review that
> quickly? I seriously doubt they had a story copy to base it on (or the
> post-release servers.)
>
> GameSpy gave it 3 of 5, and IGN's first take is none too positive.
>
Wow man, you must be an "industry insider" to figure that one out.
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