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TOPIC: On the Concept of "Replayability" was Re: Ratchet and Clank back up
over 90%
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/c81f8b53e338c9a7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 6:29 pm
From: Tom

On Nov 2, 7:30 pm, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Oct 31, 11:05 pm, Tom <jimver...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 31, 9:54 pm, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 30, 8:36 pm, Tom <jimver...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 30, 8:03 pm, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Oct 29, 10:35 pm, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:1193700099.988023.200810@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > > > What it needs isn't necessarily a "system seller", but more exclusive
> > > > > > > games that are good, if not great. Pricing the first party games
> > > > > > > competitively, like they used to do, would also help.
>
> > > > > > True, but here's the issue to date. They have had exlcusives come out over
> > > > > > the past 3 months, (I think) more than the 360, and a few are highly rated
> > > > > > games. The issue is, there is enough hardware out for the software to sell
> > > > > > very well, and that is just not happening. I wonder what the attach rate is
> > > > > > right now for the PS3?
>
> > > > > > For example, Heavenly Sword got pretty good scores, but has sold like crap.
> > > > > > If the exclusives won't sell, people are not going to be compelled to buy
> > > > > > more hardware, and hardware usually sells on word of mouth because of ther
> > > > > > games. One issue I am seeing is that current Sony games are similar to PS2
> > > > > > games, and it isn't translating into the world of online gaming which is at
> > > > > > an alltime high, not only with PCs, but now with consoles. Now people want
> > > > > > games that have online gaming/capabilities and multiplayer, not just games
> > > > > > you pay in one mode and you are done with it; Sony is giving very little of
> > > > > > that, if any at all. In fact, two friends of mine who were avid Sony fans
> > > > > > made 360 purchases this year, my buddy next door, and a co-worker, they love
> > > > > > the games and what they do, but they mainly like the exclusives that have MP
> > > > > > mode and extra features.
>
> > > > > > For me, I really won't get a game, unless it is an RPG (ala Oblivion) that
> > > > > > keeps me interested for a long, that doesn't have online gaming modes; it is
> > > > > > the reason I got into console gaming. How many times are people going to
> > > > > > play HS, R&C, Folklore, Lair over and over again with getting the same
> > > > > > ending and no MP mode. Do you see a great deal of replay value?. They may
> > > > > > sell those games off causing a slight drop in real sales otherwise. Also
> > > > > > look at the cross-platform games that were huge on the 360, that have been
> > > > > > since released on the PS3, they have like a 1-10 sales ratio, and you'd
> > > > > > think the PS3 owners would be buying these games to have something to play;
> > > > > > something is happening, and it isn't game sales.
>
> > > > > This isn't meant to be going off on you, Tom, so take it as it's
> > > > > worth:
>
> > > > > What the hell has the gaming world come to, where a game must have
> > > > > online multiplayer to
> > > > > be considered "replayable"?
>
> > > > > When I was younger, the idea of "online gaming" was pretty much
> > > > > unheard of, except at networks
> > > > > in college and the government. Bionic Commando had no multiplayer-
> > > > > that didn't keep me from replaying
> > > > > it again and again, after winning it. Same with Super Mario Brothers
> > > > > 3, Guerilla War, Revenge of Shinobi,
> > > > > and on and on and on. Before that, I had no problem playing Commando
> > > > > on my Commodore multiple times,
> > > > > or Defender on my Atari 2600, despite the complete lack of
> > > > > multiplayer. Games aren't just there to
> > > > > "get to the ending"- it's the journey, not the destination.
>
> > > > > Any game that is good enough on its own can be "replayable", barring
> > > > > either serious pacing issues, a
> > > > > poor setup, or genre limitations, which I see mostly affecting
> > > > > survival horror games that rely more on
> > > > > shocking the player as its source of entertainment. Mundane games
> > > > > like Red Faction 2 or Project
> > > > > Snowblind are no more replayable just because they have multiplayer.
> > > > > And the big problem with games
> > > > > that rely heavily on multiplayer is that they rely on the assumption
> > > > > that everyone will love and continue to
> > > > > play the game online forever and ever. Well, what happens if the game
> > > > > flops, or if its popularity dies?
> > > > > If the single player game is an afterthought, then that $60 feels
> > > > > awfully wasted........
>
> > > > > I certainly can understand the appeal of a multiplayer mode. But it
> > > > > almost seems like reviewers place
> > > > > an undue emphasis on the idea that multiplayer and replayability are
> > > > > inseparable, Bioshock notwithstanding.
> > > > > It feels kind of like laziness to me, as if it's a template statement
> > > > > for reviewers who are more than
> > > > > happy to go on cliche autopilot.
>
> > > > > OK, rant over.........- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > But, this is what the world of gaming has come to, and we no longer
> > > > have a choice that the interent is a huge and growing medium for
> > > > gaming. I gave mostly what I say I like, and the reasons why I bought
> > > > into the Xbox and the 360, because of online gaming. I didn't buy
> > > > Bioshock because it didn't have MP or any extras so to speak. Games
> > > > like Oblivion do appeal, because they have a lot of play time involved
> > > > and can be played multiple ways; that was the point I was making
> > > > really. These games for the PS3 are mimicking what PS2 games did,
> > > > except many PS3 game exclusives are not including MP or anything else
> > > > online, though it offers this on PSN.
>
> > > > I am not knocking the PS3 games, but Sony has to appeal to the markets
> > > > now, not just what I like or you like. Otherwise, what you say would
> > > > have games selling of the shelves for the PS3. You do know that the
> > > > past and current gens of console gaming is based and developed because
> > > > of what games did online for the PC for years before, and it shows
> > > > with the first Xbox and the 360.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Consider this, though- the original Xbox had a far superior online
> > > component compared to the PS2,
> > > yet it still came in second by a substantial margin.
>
> > But, the Xbox was a year later, and the DC was all but dead, so for
> > that gen the only competition was Xbox, so the PS2 had a big sales
> > jump, consider also, it followed a hugely successful PS1, the Xbox was
> > no follow up. But what made the Xbox great was not only the better and
> > more powerful hardware, but the fact that it had a robust online
> > gaming system in the works that came out nearly a year after its
> > release. I think Ghost Recon offered the best look at online console
> > gaming, and it stole the show, that game was freaking awesome for that
> > time. Then Halo2 set the standard, but the PS2, though having the
> > capabilities, followed with a fairly poor service with so few games
> > that offered any online gaming, but it sold and sold big. Now, you'd
> > think the Sony name would sell itself, and I think Sony kept to that.
> > Though their hardware sales are getting a bit better with the PS3,
> > they still are not good. But more importantly, their software sales
> > downright stink, now think of the times now to then, and consider why.
>
> > > The Wii is
> > > already ramping up console sales, despite
> > > a weak online system. There is no doubt that an online component is a
> > > consideration.
>
> > The Wii is a niche market, and we know what the N64 and GC did in
> > sales, it wasn't all that, and give it another year or so, and you'll
> > see how well it does since it is gimicky (I could be wrong though).
> > Right now, it has the poorest attach rate of the 3 consoles, that says
> > it's collecting dust more than being played, people won't keep buying
> > it if the games are not selling.
>
> > .
>
> > > But what you're
> > > saying sort of misses my point- online multiplayer is not a necessity
> > > for something to have "replay
> > > value".
>
> > Tell me games like Folklore and Heavenly Sword have a lot of replay
> > value, they have very little at best,
>
> I haven't played Heavenly Sword, but if it was a good game that's
> actually fun to play, and
> does not have a super-scripted gameplay style (where there's very
> little chance to try different
> approaches, and the AI _never_ diverges from doing the same exact
> thing), then, yes, it would
> have replay value. That's different than "value for the money", and
> if Heavenly Sword is as
> short as the reviews indicate (a little more than half the length of
> God of War 2), then it certainly
> doesn't have value for the money. "Value for the money" is actually
> what is suffering nowadays,
> with games being more expensive, but having less content. This is
> something that is hurting all
> the systems, but Sony isn't helping itself with its sparse first party
> release schedule.
>
> Folklore is an RPG, so the "replay value" factor isn't a major one, as
> RPGs are usually
> long enough for the "value for the money" factor to dominate.

Folklore is way more Action/Adventure with a little RPG element.

>
> >and this is what is killing
> > Sony, they are sticking with what was good years ago when console
> > gaming didn't require a lot more than initial excitement while they
> > churn out games en mass for the multitudes of PS2 owners to choose
> > from, because they didn't have but one element of gaming to them,
> > mainly single story play. This is different now with all the
> > experience with different modes of play that PC gaming brought about.
> > Online PC gaming, when about the time the PS2 came along was taking
> > off fast, it was barely an infant when about the time the PS1 came
> > out. But it did take off and so did the reasoning why current consoles
> > are selling, they are not just single mode single story games anymore,
> > and people want more because they know there is more out there now.
> > People do see and think what is out when they play games you know, and
> > it is going to keep changing, Sony seems to stay the course.
>
> But by your argument, Sony ISN'T staying the course when it releases
> Warhawk,
> which has NO single player element........and that, IMO, was a big
> mistake.

Nick, I generalized single story, but in this case, and it is the only
one without a story, but it still has onlys a single element, that
beingMP mode. I was simply pointing out, while the PS2 kept doing its
thing, the Xbox was creating more gaming modes as does the 360, and
the PS3 seems to be doing the same thing as before.

> for Halo's success, the first game featured single player prominently,
> and got a lot of
> its fanbase due to the single player game. After all, the actual
> number of gamers who
> had the resources for the famous system link parties couldn't have
> been that high.

Keep in mind, many Halo sales were bundles with the Xbox, that's how I
got mine.

>
> > > As for PC online gaming dictating console gaming, I don't see
> > > that, with the exception of
> > > FPS games. Games like God of War and Grand Theft Auto 3 weren't
> > > inspired by Quake, that's for
> > > sure. And Halo, probably one of the most popular console FPS games,
> > > diverged from PC FPS tradition
> > > by having a fairly significant gameplay element that pulled out of the
> > > first person view- vehicular combat.
>
> > I am in no way dismissing what you say, but if what you say really
> > follows, then PS3 sales for their most recent releases should be
> > through the roof translating into big hardware sales, it isn't . They
> > are doing very poorly, and I am only guessing that my assumptions are
> > the reasons why; the times have changed, and Sony isn't changing.- Hide quoted text -
>
> The reason is that Sony launched a year late against a competitor
> which WASN'T Sega,
> with an overly expensive price tag, and the most moronic pre-launch PR
> seen in a while,
> and the launch lineup was not really strong. It wasn't necessarily
> that Sony was stuck in a
> "genre rut", but that people were hoping for titles that reflected the
> PS2 lineup at its strongest,
> and got something that was more ho-hum.

All what you listed are some reasons for weak sales, etc, those have
been covered for months now. I am talking about now, with the
exclusives Sony is releasing. Don't you see, they are not selling
these games and there is a reason why, considering they have almost
5.5mil consoles out the door and I gave my reasons which I will again,
what other reason can you think of. I am thinking it is because they
offer no more than a single element to the game, that mostly being a
single story that has little replay value. This in a time now where MP
online gaming is big, and the 360 makes almost all of their games that
mode. Sony is selling exclusives with nothing more than one elemnt to
the game (whether it be MP or single story only).

Read the latest attach rates for the PS3, and give why you think the
games are not selling.

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TOPIC: New $99, 'compact' PS2 to arrive in 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/585c5a1123fe3172?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 6:43 pm
From: "Aaron J. Bossig"

AirRaid <airraid22@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1194014408.682770.304640@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

>
> The news will surely come as a blow to Sony rivals Nintendo and
> Microsoft, who have see sales of PS2 suffer somewhat due to the
> introduction of Wii and Xbox 360 in recent years.

Uhhh... not quite. This is the time when Sony *should* be phasing
out the PS2 entirely, not introducing a *third* redesign. If they're
still trying to push more life into the PS2, then I really don't think
the PS3 is where they want it to be (yet).

I think Nintendo and Microsoft have finished worrying about the PS2
some time ago.

Aaron J. Bossig

http://www.GodsLabRat.com

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TOPIC: Assassin's Creed Famitsu review: 37/40
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/97b66bfcf6c9934e?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 6:58 pm
From: "Trimble"

PRINCE OF PERSIA 5 does stuff in FABLE 3 perhaps ?
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(") mouse

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 7:10 pm
From: Jordan

On Nov 2, 8:53 am, "boodybandit" <allaboutga...@comcast.net> wrote:

> 1 button combat?
> OMG say that is incorrect information please!?
> The AI and now this?

I don't see 1 button combat as being a bad thing. Prince of Persia
Sands of Time had one button combat and it was one of the better games
to come out that year.

- Jordan

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 7:17 pm
From: "boodybandit"

"Big Daddy" <nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "boodybandit" <allaboutgamez@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
>>> Isn't jumping, sucking, <--LMAO! Some day I am going to get use to
>>> using this tiny laptop keyboard.
>
> I thought you had found that secret area in "second life" :-)

lol

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 9:21 pm
From: KSDJ1@webtv.net (Private Private)

oh well...I have a gut feeling Splinter Cell:Conviction is gonna be a
surprisingly strong game,much like Condemned took me by surprise.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 9:58 pm
From: KSDJ1@webtv.net (Private Private)

So wait a minute OXM hands on with AC demo talked about AC 'marrionette
style' controls , Y is head X and B are left and right arms and the RT
is a modifier for walking /running in stealth ,aka lo-profile mode. So
what gives here??? has it all been changed or is this reviewer unaware
of the different aspects of the control scheme ? Last I heard AC has a
'marrionette' control scheme, not a one-button masher. And you also have
stealth knife that only can be used on an unaware enemy, I think that is
the only (one) button attack. So WTF gives here?

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TOPIC: 5yr Old Son saved over our copy of Lego Star Wars ll? Help
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/673ff3957dd2974a?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 7:08 pm
From: Jordan

On Nov 2, 2:25 pm, buffys...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi
>
> Our 5yr Old Son saved over our copy of Lego Star Wars ll, and now we
> cannot access the old copy which had all the missions completed so he
> could go in and play with different characters...
>
> Help - how do i get it back? its in the console log as mostly
> completed...

Unfortunately once a game has been saved over you're pretty much out
of luck unless you made a backup copy to a memory card or something.

There are places where you can download game saves though, but you
have to have a USB device to put them on a memory card and then move
them to the console.

These saves are for the original Xbox version, not the 360 but it's
the best I can find right now:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/xbox/save/931975.html

- Jordan

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 9:36 pm
From: "Alai"

<buffyslay@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> Our 5yr Old Son saved over our copy of Lego Star Wars ll, and now we
> cannot access the old copy which had all the missions completed so he
> could go in and play with different characters...
>
> Help - how do i get it back? its in the console log as mostly
> completed...

Smck him upside the head with the game disc, then make himeat it. That
should teach him

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TOPIC: Xbox's Embarrasing History
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/905c5e8c40f5ed78?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 7:21 pm
From: Tom

On Nov 2, 7:22 pm, Doug Jacobs <djac...@shell.rawbw.com> wrote:
> alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com <alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Xbox debuts in 2001 with one of those worst game libraries in gaming
> > history. Anyone remember Bruce Lee? Nightcaster? Azurik ? The
> > console is pricey at $300 bucks.
>
> At least Xbox launched with Halo, which was much better than anything the
> PS3 had - and arguably STILL HAS, A YEAR LATER.
>
> $300 is "pricey"? That's the same price the PS2 debuted at. $400 is
> pricey. $500 and $600 is just insane.
>
> > Xbox rapes users forcing them to pay big bucks for standard extras
> > such as a dvd remote and headset.
>
> Arguable. First, most bundle tossed the DVD remote in for free. I agree
> that DVD playability should have been something the Xbox could do out of
> the box, but honestly, by the time the Xbox came out, who DIDN'T have a
> standalone DVD player already?
>
> Also, what do you say about Sony's "raping" of users by forcing them to
> buy things like component or HDMI cables - something that the 360
> includes. Or, how about the Rumble controller? Everyone who owns a PS3
> now can look forward to spending another $50/controller to get the
> controller that should have been included in the system from day one.
>
> It's funny you mention a headset...Sony doesn't include one of those
> either, but the 360 does.
>
> > Xbox live debuts in 2002 with a mere handful of Live games. Gamers
> > have to wait almost a year before decent multiplayer titles come out.
>
> As compared to Sony's last-minute scramble to get the PS2 online? How
> many PS2 titles everntually supported online play, anyways? Now, how many
> Xbox titles supported online play?
>
> > Brute Force is hyped hugely as the next great Halo type game. The
> > game is a laughable failure with an extremely short game length.
> > Fable is a similiar experience.
>
> Brute Force was overhyped. Sure.
>
> Fable, however, did fairly well. Probably one of the better titles for
> the Xbox, especially if you're an RPG fan.
>
> > The slogan "only on Xbox" becomes an industry joke as several of
> > Xbox's great exclusives are ported to other consoles. For example,
> > Splinter Cell found it's way on all other platforms, and even the
> > great Halo ended up on the PC with a superior version.
>
> Oh come off it. Sure, Xbox had a lot of cross/multi-platform titles, but
> it still had a lot of exclusives - that remained exclusive.
>
> I'm not even sure you can count Halo, because by the time that came out,
> the Xbox was moreorless on the way out with the 360 coming along and all
> that.
>
> > In 2005, Microsoft reveals that they literally lost billions on Xbox.
> > Microsoft decides to punish anyone who dares to mod their Xbox by
> > banning them from Live for life.
>
> As opposed to what, letting cheaters onto Live?
>
> > Just as Xbox was gathering momentum in 2005, Microsoft completely
> > drops all support in favor of Xbox 360. Xbox owners are forced to
> > update or brick their big black box.
>
> My Xbox still works just fine thank you. No one bricked it, or forced me
> to upgrade...
>
> > Xbox 360 launches in 2005 with only one good game - Call of Duty 2, a
> > PC title. Xbox 360 would take almost a full year to release one
> > decent exclusive.
>
> Oh come off it. There were other good games for the 360 at launch.
> Kameo, for instance.

Also, Perfect Dark Zero, (I liked it anyway, and it was a big seller)
PGR3, Condemned.

>
> Also, didn't Oblivion show up a few months after launch? Granted, it's a
> PC title too... Then there was DOA4, but I think the jury's out whether
> that counts as a good game or not... It was popular in Japan though ;)
>
> And Crackdown certainly didn't come "almost a full year" later.

Actually Crackdown came out way more than a full year later, it wasn't
released until Feb. 20 2007 in the US.

>
> > Despite a year head start, on September 12, 2007, it was reported by
> > the Financial Times that the Xbox 360 had been surpassed by the Wii in
> > terms of worldwide console sales.
>
> Meanwhile your precious PS3 sits in 3rd place. A DISTANT, DISMAL,
> DISASTEROUS THIRD PLACE.
>
> > Man, and you think the PS3 is doing bad?
>
> Yeah. In fact, if things don't turn around soon, the PS3 could very well
> doom Blu-Ray, and put a huge hole in Sony's finances for years to come -
> if not sink the company outright.
>
> Their PS2 from SEVEN YEARS AGO was outselling the PS3 most months, and
> even now, continues to keep pace with its sales.
>
> --
> It's not broken. It's...advanced.

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TOPIC: What will the PSN offer us this week?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 7:21 pm
From: "boodybandit"

"Rowdy J" <jkehr@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "boodybandit" <allaboutgamez@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> "Rowdy J" <rowdyj@aol.com> wrote in message
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>>> "boodybandit" <allaboutgamez@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>> "Rowdy J" <rowdyj@aol.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> "boodybandit" <allaboutgamez@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>> "Rowdy J" <rowdyj@aol.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>> Holy Crap! A Close Encounters of The Third Kind trailer!
>>>>>>> YESSSSSSSSS!!!! PS3 RULES!!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, on their behalf, they DID release the TimeShift demo that
>>>>>>> LIVE has had for weeks... and the Pro Street demo which LIVE has had
>>>>>>> for about a week or so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Awe. You were doing so good up until you had to mention this. *sigh*
>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next week is Uncharted the demo. That is by far my most important
>>>>>> and anticipated demo. I have zero plans of getting Time Shift or Pro
>>>>>> Street but I am very interested in checking out Uncharted.
>>>>>> Now if only MS or Sony could get a ACreed demo out.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll agree with you on that. I'm definitely interested in seeing
>>>>> and playing the Uncharted demo. I hope it lives up to the billing.
>>>>> That will be one PS3 game I will be buying if it does.
>>>>>
>>>>> On a side note... Timeshift DEFINITELY looks better on the 360. I
>>>>> thought the PS3 demo was UGLY. It was damn near BLURRY.
>>>>
>>>> Timeshift wasn't that hot on the 360 either. At least not to me. I
>>>> didn't try the PSN version and I have no reason to since I didn't care
>>>> for the 360 demo. I am just tired of generic shooters regardless of
>>>> what new gimmick they offer.
>>>>
>>>> Did you try the NFS:Pro Street demo on PSN?
>>>> I am wondering if EA is finally showing the PS3 some love. It was an ok
>>>> demo on the 360 but it doesn't quite live up to PGR4 as far as handling
>>>> or fun factor.
>>>> I actually enjoyed Sega Revo more than the Pro Street demo. The next
>>>> racer I will be picking up is Burnout Paradise.
>>>>
>>>> Oh well I guess I'll power up my PS3 before I leave and just download
>>>> everything. (except TimeShift)
>>>
>>>
>>> We tried the Pro Street demo last night. I LIKED IT! I haven't tried
>>> it on the 360 yet... but I thought the feeling of SPEED was tremendous
>>> on the PS3 version.
>>
>> I played the Pro Street on the PS3 but I want to hear your opinion after
>> you had a chaance to play both.
>>
>> Time Shift is definitely better on the 360.
>> I don't care for the game on either but it just appear to work and play
>> better on the 360.
>
> OK, just played the 360 demo.
>
> Honestly, the 360 version is sharper. Looks more colorful too on my
> screen. (Both systems use component video cables at 1080i. I use a Sony
> Grand WEGA 70" LCD Screen.)
>
> Frame-rate seemed pretty close, but I think maybe the 360 was a bit
> "quicker."
>
> I'll be buying the 360 version.

Definitely looked cleaner and played smoother on the 360.
I guess EA is never going to do these consoles seperately. You would think
with their resources they would.

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TOPIC: Ratchett and Clanks sells a whopping 97,000 copies in first week!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 7:23 pm
From: Jordan

On Nov 2, 6:54 am, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:

> 97,000 copies of a game that was supposed to be a flagship title is an
> absolute joke, It's barely worth comparing to even the crappiest of
> 360 titles.

Even worse than that, Namco said, about a year ago, that they have to
sell 500,000 copies to turn a profit.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/namco-ps3-games-must-sell-500k-for-profit-218215.php

- Jordan

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TOPIC: HD-DVD player at Walmart tomorrow for $98.97
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 7:29 pm
From: Jordan

On Nov 2, 7:59 am, "Big Daddy" <nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Also curious as to where joe sixpack who shops at kmart is going to be
> renting their HD-DVD movies since blockbuster only does blu-ray

Blockbuster may not be a viable option for anyone much longer:

http://www.forbes.com/markets/2007/11/01/blockbuster-movies-entertainment-markets-equity-cx_ml_1101markets19.html

Blockbuster Goes Bust
Melanie Lindner, 11.01.07, 3:00 PM ET

It's kind of like a horror movie ...

Blockbuster (nyse: BBI - news - people ) reported disappointing third-
quarter earnings on Thursday causing investors to yank their funds.
The Dallas-based company reported sales decreased to $1.24 billion,
down 5.7% from $1.31 billion in the similar period of 2006. Profits
fell to a net loss of $35 million, or 20 cents per share, compared
with a net loss of $9.6 million, or 5 cents per share in the third
quarter of the prior year.

The company attributes the losses mainly to the closure and sale of
526 company-operated stores. As a result of the movie rental firm's
inability to generate profit, Chairman Jim Keyes announced that
Blockbuster will reduce the number of people currently employed by the
company in an effort to reduce annualized overhead costs by
approximately $45 million.

As if any more proof was need that Blockbuster Total Access program
essentially failed to compete effectively against Netflix (nasdaq:
NFLX - news - people ), Keyes noted that "the company will no longer
be narrowly focused on its online subscriber count but instead will
concentrate on the growth of, and report on, its total
membership." (See: Total Access Blocks Blockbuster)

While Blockbuster struggles to pay its employees and Movie Gallery
(nasdaq: MOVI - news - people ) filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy
protection, it seems Netflix is the reigning champion of the movie
rental industry. The company earned $15.7 million in the third quarter
of 2007, up 22.7% from $12.8 million in the comparable period of 2006.

Michael Patcher of Wedbush Morgan believes that Netflix's increased
market share is partially due to Blockbuster's recent advertising cuts
for the Total Access Program. He explained: "If Netflix advertises the
same, and Blockbuster advertises less, then inevitably more customers
will rent from Netflix." (See: Netflix Harvests A Bumper Crop of Sofa
Spuds)

Blockbuster's stock dropped 20 cents, or 3.8%, to $5.06 on Thursday
and Netflix gained 8 cents, or .3%, to $26.55.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 7:42 pm
From: sq1u3pjokaplg03kkbc4@gmail.com

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 8:56 pm
From: Jonah Falcon

http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/11/02/review-hellgate-london-pc/

(sigh)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 9:24 pm
From: KSDJ1@webtv.net (Private Private)

NO ..sorry ..the DEVS of Gears said the 360 couldn't handle the PC
content..I'll find the OXM article

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 9:37 pm
From: KSDJ1@webtv.net (Private Private)

>From: nospam@yahoo.com (Big Daddy)
>
>I especially like that Disney got pissed about Paramount's "sell
>out" for the MS cash, so they have come out
>and said "we're going to begin marketing our blu-ray movies".
>Up until that point you hadn't really seen any commercials
>regarding blue-ray, but I've seen dozens now all showing some
>of their Disney titles in Blu-Ray.

Yes so true, Disney has even taken it a step further and its titled as
almost one word---See it now on "(DisneyBlu-Ray)".....it makes it sound
like Blu-Ray is Disney's creation ,its even got its own 'blue' logo.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 9:42 pm
From: KSDJ1@webtv.net (Private Private)

>From: natlee75@yahoo.com (The alMIGHTY N)
>I find it hilarious when people try to say that
>HD-DVD throwing money at Paramount to go exclusive is somehow
>morally wrong or unfair without saying the same about Sony
>forcing many PS3 gamers to become default Blu-Ray owners.

I was going to same the same exact thing, good point.

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Date: Fri, Nov 2 2007 10:54 pm
From: helen

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