PSP News: November 2007

Monday, November 5, 2007

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TOPIC: FREE SHIPPING !!! dvds ,cd, movies and TV show online stroe
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/9139c6e1b319e024?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 1:06 am
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TOPIC: Anyone see
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/465c44b99d11f355?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 4:56 am
From: "boodybandit"

"Tom" <noway@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:xo6dnbIfwqFnBrPanZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@insightbb.com...
> the PS3 advertisements during the Colt/Pats game? They kinda had an
> advertising blitz there, and it did so aimed at the right market that
> would
> have been watching that game. Also, they advertised the COD4 game (no
> specific console mentioned, and the movie Hitman, which is a game also.

I brought this up last week. They are finally on the right track and they
have the best commercials to back them now.

I saw a couple commercials with COD4 & ACreed yesterday for the PS3. The
best part of their commercials is announcing the new price point.

I also read this morning that COD4 is native 1080p on the PS3 @ 60FPS.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 6:01 am
From: "boodybandit"

"Tom" <noway@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:xo6dnbIfwqFnBrPanZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@insightbb.com...
> the PS3 advertisements during the Colt/Pats game?

btw. How about that Colts/Pats game?
I thought it was a really good game except for some of the penalties. Refs
need to get them right, lets the players play or not call them at all.
But back to the game. Is there a team out there that can seriously challenge
the Pats other than the Colts? Maybe Pittsburgh?

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 7:06 am
From: The King of Gaming

On Nov 5, 8:01 am, "boodybandit" <allaboutga...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote in message
>
> news:xo6dnbIfwqFnBrPanZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@insightbb.com...
>
> > the PS3 advertisements during the Colt/Pats game?
>
> btw. How about that Colts/Pats game?
> I thought it was a really good game except for some of the penalties. Refs
> need to get them right, lets the players play or not call them at all.
> But back to the game. Is there a team out there that can seriously challenge
> the Pats other than the Colts? Maybe Pittsburgh?

I think the Colts will be just fine. They basically pissed the game
away with mistakes, and I find it hard to believe that Harrison
wouldn't have been worth a few extra first downs. Give the Patriots
credit for winning though. They're clearly the best team at the
moment.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 8:22 am
From: carlahomolka@hotmail.com

On Nov 5, 7:56 am, "boodybandit" <allaboutga...@comcast.net> wrote:

>
> I also read this morning that COD4 is native 1080p on the PS3 @ 60FPS.

People are mistaking 1080P upconvert capability for being rendered
natively at 1080P. Both versions render at 720P natively.

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TOPIC: Scene It?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/b40b46d79ebb8a11?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 5:40 am
From: Mitch@...

Anyone getting it?

I'm on the fence. I played the demo, so I know it'll be fun with
friends, but I'm wondering how long it will take to burn through all
the questions.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 6:13 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Nov 5, 8:40 am, Mitch@... wrote:
> Anyone getting it?
>
> I'm on the fence. I played the demo, so I know it'll be fun with
> friends, but I'm wondering how long it will take to burn through all
> the questions.

I had considered it because we like the original game so much... but
we have the original game. Granted, there are different questions
here... and you'll surely be able to download more... hell, why
not? :-)

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 8:31 am
From: jochta

Mitch@... wrote:
> Anyone getting it?
>
> I'm on the fence. I played the demo, so I know it'll be fun with
> friends, but I'm wondering how long it will take to burn through all
> the questions.

It's broken.

Buzz in to see the answers and then buzz again on the correct one ==
everyone tries to hit the button as fast as possible so they can see the
answers and lock the others out.

Stupid game mechanic that should never have made it through playtesting.

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TOPIC: eBay - Rock Band Special Edition with demo disk
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/cbaebdc4cd77c299?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 6:17 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Nov 3, 9:03 am, nob...@mixmin.net (Ted) wrote:
> http://301url.com/RockBand

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that the listing was removed.
It's probably just one of the demo set-ups that they have in Best Buy
and the like.

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TOPIC: Ratchett and Clanks sells a whopping 97,000 copies in first week!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/e0c2b7ea4f8bca94?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 6:25 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Nov 2, 8:54 am, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
> On Nov 1, 2:45 pm, The King of Gaming <king.of.gam...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > 97,000 copies of R&C given the install base is impressive by
> > any standard, which you damn well know.
>
> 97,000 copies of a game that was supposed to be a flagship title is an
> absolute joke, It's barely worth comparing to even the crappiest of
> 360 titles.
>
> If you think for a second that developers aren't paying attention to
> numbers like that, you're fucking nuts. You think they are going to
> want to develop exclusive titles for a console that can't even sell
> over 100,000 copies of a major title in its debut week, when they
> could be developing for the 360 (which can sell more than that for
> even minor titles)?!?!?
>
> -Eric

Actually, I think a lot of developers will simply look at what the
hardware numbers are like after the holiday season. Nobody can deny
that the new $400 price point is going to help sales - maybe not to a
tremendous extent but to some extent nonetheless.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 6:27 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Nov 2, 9:23 pm, Jordan <lu...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Nov 2, 6:54 am, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
>
> > 97,000 copies of a game that was supposed to be a flagship title is an
> > absolute joke, It's barely worth comparing to even the crappiest of
> > 360 titles.
>
> Even worse than that, Namco said, about a year ago, that they have to
> sell 500,000 copies to turn a profit.
>
> http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/namco-ps3-games-must-sell-500k-for-profi...
>
> - Jordan

It's possible the costs of production go down as the studios get more
and more experience developing for the system. A significant portion
of the initial budgets when the console first came out were for
developers to learn more about the architecture.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 6:40 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Nov 3, 5:14 pm, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
> "Jordan" <lu...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1194056604.374910.240970@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Nov 2, 6:54 am, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
>
> >> 97,000 copies of a game that was supposed to be a flagship title is an
> >> absolute joke, It's barely worth comparing to even the crappiest of
> >> 360 titles.
>
> > Even worse than that, Namco said, about a year ago, that they have to
> > sell 500,000 copies to turn a profit.
>
> >http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/namco-ps3-games-must-sell-500k-for-profi...
>
> > - Jordan
>
> Well, you need to take that article from a year ago for its context then, it
> doesn't add up now. Here are parts of that article (not nessecarily in order
> of how it reads in the article):
>
> "Graphics for the high-definition games cost about 1 billion yen ($8.6
> million) to create, more than double that for Nintendo Co.'s Wii titles,
> Takasu said in a Tokyo interview Nov. 28."
>
> ``We have to sell at least 500,000 copies per title worldwide to make a
> profit on PlayStation 3 games,'' said Takasu. He said titles for the new
> Sony console are ``selling well.''
>
> Why wouldn't those cost apply to the 360 for HD game expenses?

Who said this particular cost didn't apply to the Xbox 360 as well?
The concern of the studios at that point was the high price point for
the Playstation 3. At that particular time, the studios were looking
at several facts:

a) The Xbox 360 had been out for a year and amassed a respectable
install base. Any given game is going to sell better in an Xbox 360
version than a PS3 version because of that.

b) Because of a, the studios have already gotten past any learning
curve. They've had well over a year to work on it since they started
working on games in early 2005.

c) The learning curve in the first place wasn't that great, at least
for developers who had worked on the original Xbox or the PC.

But you're right in that the situation can't be assumed to apply in
the here and now. The Playstation 3 has been out for almost a year
now.

> More:
>
> "Shortages of the PlayStation 3 may also make it more difficult for software
> makers to sell enough games. Tokyo-based Sony halved shipment targets for
> the console this year and delayed the European release amid a dearth for
> some parts. The company may have missed its goal of shipping 400,000
> consoles in the U.S. earlier this month, according to analysts including
> Jeetil Patel at Deutsche Bank Securities in San Francisco."
>
> Wasn't there shortages for the 360 and adding that, how would that apply
> today since the PS3 now has close to a 5.5mil install base?

While it was a legitimate concern before launch, there's no reason
this could be a concern after the system launched since demand never
exceeded supply in any region.

> Anyway, more:
>
> ``Game makers may hesitate to make games for a console if its shipment is
> being delayed,'' said Yuuki Sakurai, who helps manage $6.02 billion at
> Fukoku Mutual Life Insurance Co. in Tokyo. ``Some game makers may wait until
> a console becomes popular because of increasing production costs.''
>
> Again, now we have almost 5.5mil PS3 out there, you're stating an article
> that wouldn't apply today, but more here:

Now, the concern is simply that people aren't buying the games, even
with such a large install base. The two top-selling games, Resistance
and Motorstorm, aren't doing too badly, considering the size of the
install base, but all the other games are left dangling.

> "Tokyo-based Namco Bandai expects games for the consoles introduced this
> month by Sony and Nintendo and a year ago by Microsoft Corp. to account for
> 10 percent of software sales, or 3.15 million units, this fiscal year ending
> March 31, Takasu said. The company sold about 26,000 titles for Microsoft's
> Xbox 360 last year, when it was introduced."
>
> Let's see, when Namco releasd titles for the 360 the previous year (and the
> 360 had less consoles installed relative to the PS3 at the end of "06",
> correct me if I am worng on this), it sold 26,000 titles. Didn't they just
> state that they need to sell 500K to make a profit for HD games, yet only
> sold 26,000 HD titles for the 360?

There's more to the cost of a title than just graphics...

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 6:42 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Nov 2, 9:07 am, carlahomo...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Nov 2, 9:31 am, "boodybandit" <allaboutga...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > When you clarify things for the confused can you include mentality
> > challenged vs retard?
> > It might make your points sound a little more valid instead of the rumbles
> > of a ..... er um "retard".- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Shove your political correctness up your gaping, festering asshole.
> Real men call 'em like they see 'em. A spade is a spade. A retard is a
> retard. And it's mentally challenged, not mentality challenged.

Don't mistake being an asshole for being a "real man."

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 6:44 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Nov 2, 12:37 pm, carlahomo...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Nov 2, 11:45 am, "Big Daddy" <nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
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> > <carlahomo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >news:1194012473.014238.213740@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On Nov 2, 9:31 am, "boodybandit" <allaboutga...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > >> When you clarify things for the confused can you include mentality
> > >> challenged vs retard?
> > >> It might make your points sound a little more valid instead of the
> > >> rumbles
> > >> of a ..... er um "retard".- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Shove your political correctness up your gaping, festering asshole.
> > > Real men call 'em like they see 'em.
>
> > So real men hide behind usenet, act tough, and say things they would NEVER
> > say face to face to someone as they would get their asses handed to them?
>
> Hmmm, I don't recall saying that any of those are characteristics of a
> real man. Your list obviously varies from mine. Whatever floats your
> boat.
>
> However I did say that a politically correct piece of shit that is
> offended by the word "retard" is not a real man.

Nor is a person who thinks that using words like "retard" makes them a
real man.

> If you're assuming I meet anyone of those criteria you listed, you are
> 100% wrong. I call people retards to their face all the time. And I'm
> yet to have anyone "hand me my ass". If you think I am "acting tough",
> then I am sorry that I frightened you. Perhaps your parents should
> install some sort of filtering software so you don't have to read
> posts from people like me.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 6:47 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Nov 2, 4:06 pm, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
> <elro...@pop.uky.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:1194011827.736213.89420@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
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>
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> > On Nov 1, 9:57 am, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
> >> <carlahomo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1193924112.361107.39570@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Oct 31, 5:54 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
> >> > <alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> Who gives a crap about sales records? The fact remains that Ratchet
> >> >> is a AAA title, and blowns the claim that Ps3 has NO good exclusives
> >> >> out of the water. Pathetic that you losers have to desperately find
> >> >> some way to trash all PS3 titles. Last time I checked, Warhawk,
> >> >> Heavenly Sword, Folklore, and Eye of Judgement all received great
> >> >> reviews. Xbots will realy be sobbing when the greatness of Uncharted
> >> >> comes out in a month.
>
> >> > Actually most of those got pretty mediocre reviews.
>
> >> > Warhawk was the only one to even crack an average over 80% on
> >> > metacritic.
>
> >> Oh fucking please! Heavenly Sword is an 8.1 on Gamerankings and 7.9 on
> >> Meta
> >> (averages out and Meta uses a funky translating scoring system when
> >> converting an alphabet scoring system to a numeric).
>
> > Is that good by PS3 standards? We 360 fans would consider that
> > mediocre.
>
> Hey dumbass, I didn't mention sales standards, they are just simply sales.
> But, if you are going to go by those standards, then you really lowered the
> bar on standards for the 360. If 97,000 R&Cs sold in its first week for a
> base install of 5.39 million PS3s, is a mediocre standard, then what is the
> standard for 111,000 ACs sold for a 12.74mil 360 install base?

Which begs the question... is a publisher going to care about sales
from a percentages standpoint or just sales? My money's on just sales
because that's the way they looked at things in the previous
generation when they were abandoning the Xbox and going only with the
PS2.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 7:04 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Nov 4, 9:01 am, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
> "Texan_2112" <spammers.s...@all.times> wrote in message
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> news:472d6157$0$8860$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
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>
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> > "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote in message
> >news:a96dnZS9NaVTb7HanZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@insightbb.com...
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> >> "Jordan" <lu...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >>news:1194056604.374910.240970@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> >>> On Nov 2, 6:54 am, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
>
> >>>> 97,000 copies of a game that was supposed to be a flagship title
> >>>> is an
> >>>> absolute joke, It's barely worth comparing to even the crappiest
> >>>> of
> >>>> 360 titles.
>
> >>> Even worse than that, Namco said, about a year ago, that they have
> >>> to
> >>> sell 500,000 copies to turn a profit.
>
> >>>http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/namco-ps3-games-must-sell-500k-for-profi...
>
> >>> - Jordan
>
> >> Well, you need to take that article from a year ago for its context
> >> then, it
> >> doesn't add up now. Here are parts of that article (not nessecarily
> >> in order
> >> of how it reads in the article):
>
> >> "Graphics for the high-definition games cost about 1 billion yen
> >> ($8.6
> >> million) to create, more than double that for Nintendo Co.'s Wii
> >> titles,
> >> Takasu said in a Tokyo interview Nov. 28."
>
> >> ``We have to sell at least 500,000 copies per title worldwide to
> >> make a
> >> profit on PlayStation 3 games,'' said Takasu. He said titles for the
> >> new
> >> Sony console are ``selling well.''
>
> >> Why wouldn't those cost apply to the 360 for HD game expenses?
>
> >> More:
>
> >> "Shortages of the PlayStation 3 may also make it more difficult for
> >> software
> >> makers to sell enough games. Tokyo-based Sony halved shipment
> >> targets for
> >> the console this year and delayed the European release amid a dearth
> >> for
> >> some parts. The company may have missed its goal of shipping 400,000
> >> consoles in the U.S. earlier this month, according to analysts
> >> including
> >> Jeetil Patel at Deutsche Bank Securities in San Francisco."
>
> >> Wasn't there shortages for the 360 and adding that, how would that
> >> apply
> >> today since the PS3 now has close to a 5.5mil install base?
>
> >> Anyway, more:
>
> >> ``Game makers may hesitate to make games for a console if its
> >> shipment is
> >> being delayed,'' said Yuuki Sakurai, who helps manage $6.02 billion
> >> at
> >> Fukoku Mutual Life Insurance Co. in Tokyo. ``Some game makers may
> >> wait until
> >> a console becomes popular because of increasing production costs.''
>
> >> Again, now we have almost 5.5mil PS3 out there, you're stating an
> >> article
> >> that wouldn't apply today, but more here:
>
> >> "Tokyo-based Namco Bandai expects games for the consoles introduced
> >> this
> >> month by Sony and Nintendo and a year ago by Microsoft Corp. to
> >> account for
> >> 10 percent of software sales, or 3.15 million units, this fiscal
> >> year ending
> >> March 31, Takasu said. The company sold about 26,000 titles for
> >> Microsoft's
> >> Xbox 360 last year, when it was introduced."
>
> >> Let's see, when Namco releasd titles for the 360 the previous year
> >> (and the
> >> 360 had less consoles installed relative to the PS3 at the end of
> >> "06",
> >> correct me if I am worng on this), it sold 26,000 titles. Didn't
> >> they just
> >> state that they need to sell 500K to make a profit for HD games, yet
> >> only
> >> sold 26,000 HD titles for the 360?
>
> > You are not taking into account the greater expense developing for the
> > PS3 due to it's learning curve and overall difficulty in crafting
> > optimized code, which we have seen as one ps3 title after another is
> > delayed. Overhead costs for 360 development are much lower, and can be
> > shared with the pc, and possible other platforms such as mobile, etc.
>
> And how many 360 titles were delayed because of development issues ?

Actually, I don't remember any Xbox 360 holiday titles being delayed
past the holiday season so far... at least not the past two holiday
seasons.

> But I
> was addressing the article and the timeframe it represents, so take this
> into account, one game for the PS3 was
> actually developed for the PS3 at that time, RFOM, and it wasn't delayed.

Resistance: Fall of Man was made by Insomniac Games, which is a second-
party developer. They had access to the Playstation 3 development kits
long before third-party developers and they also knew pretty much what
the beast could do well in advance. Second-party developers have huge
advantages over third-party developers.

> The others were almost all ports, didn't see dev problems there. Dirt, for
> the 360 which came out 2 months before the PS3 version, was not as good as
> the PS3 version, so writing code doesn't seem to be an issue either. Why
> after over 1-1/2 year of making games on a console, is the 360 version of
> Dirt not as good as the same game that came out on a system not close to a
> year old when it was released? IOWs, it seemed harder to make the game
> better for the 360.

This seems to be a pretty easy one:

a) This is the first game that Codemasters has done for either
platform so how much time the system has been out has no bearing on
the situation.

b) Sony co-developed the game engine with Codemasters.

> Also, correct me if I am wrong, but for the 360 I think COD2 cost about
> $15mil to develop,
> Perfect Dark Zero took 3 years and $12mil to develop. But here we have
> Heavenly Sword run along $15-20mil range to develop (and that is well into
> 3-4 years), so I don't see cost as a point now since it seems to be about a
> wash for both system in dev costs, it would be an issue if the consoles
> didn't sell, which what was Namco is contesting

I can't speak to the actual numbers because I haven't seen any actual
references, but the cost of Call of Duty 2 was definitely offset by
the fact that it was a port of a PC game. Cost is irrelevant in this
discussion for a game like Perfect Dark Zero because it's a first-
party game - Microsoft isn't going to be nearly as worried about sales
because they're not limited to a slice of the profits... they get the
whole pie.

On the other hand, sales for a game like Heavenly Sword are much more
important because the game was developed by a small independent studio
(the one that did Kung Fu Chaos for the Xbox).

> > Admittedly 26K units moved in a year is probably not very profitable,
> > but it comes a lot closer to creating a real profit to the publisher
> > and developer than ps3 software sales are at this time.
>
> The point is, the article makes a
> statement regarding some 500k threshold to make money on PS3 titles at that
> time, (do you see Namco or any other developer making this claim now?), yet,
> it also states that just a tad more than 1/20 (of 500K) of Namco's titles
> (meaning not just one title) for the 360 sold in its first year of
> availability at the end of 2005. Where's their money making issue with that?
>
> While I see your point, you are making it a stretch since the meat of
> Namco's
> argument was how many PS3s were released for launch for them to make their
> 500K claim. Yet the 360 had less at its launch. But it state "titles" sold
> only 26k in (if just in one week would be total shit) for the easy to write
> to 360
> for that relative time frame.

They were just verbalizing concerns regarding the shipment numbers.
Regardless of how many Playstation 3 units were shipped out and sold
to retail during the launch window, Namco at that time would still
have had to sell 500,000 copies of a game to make a profit. That the
Playstation 3 didn't sell as well as hoped simply creates an
environment in which Namco does not make a profit on their game during
that time period.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 6:34 am
From: elrous0@pop.uky.edu

On Nov 4, 5:24 am, "Fu Q" <im...@home.com> wrote:

> Ya, that's what to do, beat the shit out of a five year old because he
> erased your game saves.

Eh, he'd still a better parent than Britney Spears.

-Eric

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 7:12 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Nov 3, 9:41 am, "Big Daddy" <nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "The alMIGHTY N" <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1194020019.338183.41970@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Nov 2, 11:53 am, "Big Daddy" <nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> "boodybandit" <allaboutga...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >> >> That's even an exclusive title for the PS3.
>
> >> > So than that should matter to me why exactly?
>
> >> Doug is all about exclusives. In fact he rarely makes a post without
> >> pointing out how there are no games to play on the ps3. He doesn't
> >> seem
> >> to grasp that we can actually play non-exclusives on our console.
>
> > To be fair, a potential consumer is going to evaluate the consoles not
> > only on the number of games there are but how many exclusives there
> > are.
>
> Not necessarily. I was a potential consumer when I made my decision and it
> wasn't based on exclusives at all. It was based on blu-ray capabilities,
> free online play, the fact I could play my PS2 games on it (of which I had
> more of around than xbox), the system seemed more powerful and thus future
> proof, MS just dumped support of my xbox *completely* after 4 years so I had
> no confidence they wouldn't do the same 4 years later again, etc. For me
> it was worth the extra money for all of the above. Exclusives actually had
> zero bearing on my decision as I knew games would come for whichever system
> I chose (and there will always be some game on one that I wish I had that
> isn't available on mine, whichever way i went).
>
> I'm not saying I'm indicitive of most consumers, but my point is that
> exclusivity counts, but there are a lot of other factors as well.

True.

As a matter of fact, I was talking about the average consumer but
didn't specify that clearly. Further, I was focusing on the software
library, mainly because Blu-Ray is irrelevant to the average consumer.

In any case, if you take price out of the equation by comparing the
$400 PS3, the backwards compatibility truly becomes a non-factor.

> In fact, joe sixpack has probably limited interest in exclusives, or even
> what games are exclusive to a particular console. They go to buy a gaming
> system and see the game section and see a lot of games they want and they
> have no idea if the 360 has it or the WII. As long as that game section is
> large and filled with things their interest is peaked.

In that case, joe sixpack will see that the Xbox 360 has most of those
same games they want and a much larger section of games.

> My point is, for me to keep reading "there are no games" always makes me say
> "WHAT?" since I'm playing *something*...if it's not games then I'm really
> confused.

Absolute statements like "there are no games" are stupid. The fact of
the matter is that both systems have games but the Xbox 360 has a lot
more in general and a lot more that you can't play on the other 2
consoles.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 7:25 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Nov 3, 3:36 am, slayerma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Nov 2, 8:48 am, NiGHTS <nightsintodreamsYOHOL...@blueyonder.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > > The slogan "only on Xbox" becomes an industry joke as several of
> > > Xbox's great exclusives are ported to other consoles. For example,
> > > Splinter Cell found it's way on all other platforms, and even the
> > > great Halo ended up on the PC with a superior version.
>
> > I'll concede that the PS2 port of the *first* Splinter Cell game was the
> > better version, but since when did anyone regard the pc version of Halo
> > as superior?
>
> It certainly was easier with mouse/keyboard (it can literally be
> beaten on legendary difficulty without dying - in single
> player(headshotheadshotheadshot)), but I certainly scoff at saying the
> PC version was 'better'. It is pretty much exactly the same with
> different controls, except if I am remembering correctly the PC
> version has no co-op campaign, making it not worthwhile in the
> slightest.

I have never read a single review or a heard a single gamer say that
Halo was superior on the PC. The mouse/keyboard option is not an
aspect of the game itself so it's tough to say THAT'S a reason why the
game is superiod. The games are pretty much the same with the PC
version having a few extra multiplayer maps but also having
performance issues - unless you had the latest and greatest hardware
in your PC at the time, you had to turn down settings to sub-Xbox
levels.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 7:27 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Nov 2, 4:40 pm, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
> "boodybandit" <allaboutga...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:iaadna_iZNyZGLbanZ2dnUVZ_ryqnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>
>
> > "terryfied" <terryvickers...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1194020822.609755.289050@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> >> I've had over five glorious years of Xbox gaming, offline and online,
> >> and in the process I've made lots of friends from all around the
> >> world; and I don't regret a single minute.
>
> >> A big thanks to Microsoft for making it all possible. :-)
>
> > If only you could have multiple friends list or a bigger capacity for
> > friends.
> > I think it would be neat to have them listed under the game you met them
> > in.
> > Maybe have catergories. This way when you want to get rid free up some
> > space you will know where you met whom where.
>
> Would having a bigger list really work out into something beneficial? I only
> ask from my experience with the 100 limit now. I have about 10 people I play
> with consistently, then maybe 20+ casually if they are playing something the
> same. Many on my list I haven't played with for months. Having more would
> leave more there that acts as a list really. I have deleted and added newer
> friends many times over and I am sure I have been deleted by others I
> haven't played with in a long time also.

I'm in agreement with you on this one. I had a bunch of people on my
friends lists but most of the time I never saw them online again after
we first added each other. There were only a few core people I would
play over and over again with because they were worthwhile teammates
or opponents.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 7:40 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Nov 2, 5:55 pm, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Nov 2, 2:24 pm, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 2, 10:55 am, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
>
> > > Just as Xbox was gathering momentum in 2005, Microsoft completely
> > > drops all support in favor of Xbox 360. Xbox owners are forced to
> > > update or brick their big black box.
>
> > Gathering momentum? What planet are you from? The Xbox was a lost
> > cause. Microsoft wasn't stupid - why keep making the console if you
> > have less than 10% market share?
>
> Not to interrupt, but as I stated in a different post, the Xbox market
> share was much more than 10%.
>
> http://www.news.com/Gates-considering-Xbox-clones/2100-1043_3-5770507...
>
> You need to stop using that "under 10%" figure, unless you can come
> up with a better, contradictory cite.

You're right... just hyperbole on my part. The Xbox actually had 14.5%
(according to Wikipedia or 17.6% according to Sony's own shipment
numbers for June 2005) of the worldwide market, which while better
still isn't good enough to continue manufacturing when they were still
losing money on each system sold at that juncture.

The GameCube only had 13.1% (or 15.8% according to those same shipment
numbers) of the worldwide market but Nintendo could afford to continue
manufacturing the system because they actually made a decent amount of
money on each system sold at that juncture (and were profitable on
hardware since day 1).

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 7:42 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Nov 3, 10:14 am, HidariMak <Hidari...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 2, 4:24 pm, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Microsoft decides to punish anyone who dares to mod their Xbox by
> > > banning them from Live for life.
>
> > Sony ran several companies out of business with the costs of lawsuits
> > for emulating PSOne games.
>
> > Microsoft did exactly what they should do - everybody knows that
> > people modded their Xbox systems for one reason... to be able to play
> > ripped games. Are you seriously going to defend people's "right" to
> > pirate games, dumbass?
>
> That would certainly be the case with the 360 and the Wii, but not as
> much with the first Xbox. The homebrew titles Xbox Media Center
> (XBMC) and Gentoox (Linux on the Xbox) were both the main reasons for
> me to mod my own. I waited until those apps were released before
> buying an Xbox, with full intentions on modding it, with 3 retail
> games. And over two dozen legal commercial games were purchased in
> the years afterwards -- the only games I really played on it.

You would be the exception to the rule. Sales of the mod chips boomed
because people could just rent a game from Blockbuster and rip it
instead of having to pay $50 at Best Buy.

I'm sure there were legitimate uses for the modchip, but piracy is
always going to be the main draw with this kind of technology.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 7:27 am
From: Jonah Falcon

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Scene It? Lights, Camera, Action!
F.E.A.R. Files
Bladestorm: The Hundred Years' War
LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga

(Oh, and a Cabella Big Game Hunter:p)

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 7:55 am
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Nov 4, 10:49 am, Blig Merk <blig_m...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Here are the latest Japanese console hardware sales for the week of
> October 22 - 28:
>
> 1. NDS Lite - 76,243
> 2. PSP - 59,792
> 3. Wii - 27,502
> 4. PlayStation 3 - 18,785
> 5. PlayStation 2 - 11,698
> 6. Xbox 360 - 3,718
> 7. GB Micro - 64
> 8. GameCube - 58
> 9. GBA SP - 41
> 10. NDS - 30
>
> The novelty of the Wii is looking like it is wearing out and both the
> Wii and DS are showing a big drop in sales numbers, indications of
> reaching saturation levels. This has been happening for a few months
> now in Japan with sales of the PS3 and PSP starting to ramp back up in
> comparison. It is becoming obvious the PS3 is the console that comes
> out on top after the Beanie Babies appeal of the Wii. The xflop 3-
> shitty isn't even in the picture, being more like the fake dog poop of
> consoles. The Japanese market is starting to see the PS3 is the game
> console and entertainment system for 2008 and beyond. Sony, the PS3
> and PSP own 2008 and beyond while the xflop 3-shitty continues its
> slide into the shithole of death.

LOL

Sony would have to sell at numbers higher than this for about 2 years
to get even close to catching the DS and the Wii. Nintendo won't be
shaking in its boots for a long, long time.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 5 2007 8:15 am
From: The King of Gaming

On Nov 5, 9:55 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 10:49 am, Blig Merk <blig_m...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Here are the latest Japanese console hardware sales for the week of
> > October 22 - 28:
>
> > 1. NDS Lite - 76,243
> > 2. PSP - 59,792
> > 3. Wii - 27,502
> > 4. PlayStation 3 - 18,785
> > 5. PlayStation 2 - 11,698
> > 6. Xbox 360 - 3,718
> > 7. GB Micro - 64
> > 8. GameCube - 58
> > 9. GBA SP - 41
> > 10. NDS - 30
>
> > The novelty of the Wii is looking like it is wearing out and both the
> > Wii and DS are showing a big drop in sales numbers, indications of
> > reaching saturation levels. This has been happening for a few months
> > now in Japan with sales of the PS3 and PSP starting to ramp back up in
> > comparison. It is becoming obvious the PS3 is the console that comes
> > out on top after the Beanie Babies appeal of the Wii. The xflop 3-
> > shitty isn't even in the picture, being more like the fake dog poop of
> > consoles. The Japanese market is starting to see the PS3 is the game
> > console and entertainment system for 2008 and beyond. Sony, the PS3
> > and PSP own 2008 and beyond while the xflop 3-shitty continues its
> > slide into the shithole of death.
>
> LOL
>
> Sony would have to sell at numbers higher than this for about 2 years
> to get even close to catching the DS and the Wii. Nintendo won't be
> shaking in its boots for a long, long time.- Hide quoted text -
>

Nintendo won't EVER be shaking in its boots for fear of competition,
because they don't have any. They sell unique child's toys that will
live or die by their own merits. Sony may as well try to compete with
iPods. In a very broad sense they *are* competing with iPods, and
anything else that occupies a person's attention, but you have to
narrow it down somewhere.

If Nintendo *was* looking over its shoulder, which I doubt they are,
they should be looking at the people who are pumping out the Rock
Bands,Singstars and Guitar Heros of the world. You never know what
the next fad will be and if someone comes up with something that can't
be done on the Wii (or doesn't need the Wii, or any other console for
that matter) then the Wiil could find itself going the way of the hula
hoop, gathering even more dust than it already is.

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TOPIC: Who should join the Ninjas, Pirates and Zombies?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/62bcb9914596250e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:13 pm
From: "Scrub"

Power Puff GIrls...

"Jonah Falcon" <jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:1194037649.308074.94460@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/11/02/poll-what-team-should-be-in-pirates-vs-ninjas-dodgeball/
>
> Today, Gamecock announced a new Xbox Live Arcade title, Pirates Vs.
> Ninjas Dodgeball, and mentioned that there would also be a Zombie
> team. But that's shouldn't be all.
>
> Today's poll is, what team would you most like to see join the
> Pirates, Ninjas and Zombies? We start with four team types, and you
> can add a type if you like. Here's the initial quartet:
>
> Robots
> Vikings
> Dinosaurs
> Pimps
>
> Vote away, and tell us WHY you voted for whom you voted.
>

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TOPIC: HUGE BREAKING NEWS: Sony secures PS3-exclusive rights for the next (7th)
Grand Theft Auto game
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/71335d33f89fe7af?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:14 pm
From: "auygjhsagy@gmail.com"

On Oct 5, 12:38 pm, Mattinglyfan <kyler.jack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 5, 2:24 pm, AirRaid <AirRaid1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://n4g.com/ps3/NewsCom-72518.aspxhttp://www.hdgamenews.com/2007/1...
>
> There better be a PSP version.

Sorry Dude it's only coming out on PS3 and 360. I wish PS3 games
worked on PS2...

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:46 pm
From: "Alai"

"Grinder" <grinder@no.spam.maam.com> wrote in message
news:AjqXi.168768$Xa3.68995@attbi_s22...
> Alai wrote:
>> "Fu Q" <imnot@home.com> wrote in message
>> news:472d9215$0$26459$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>>> "Alai" <alai702@texanet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:58idncOpOuhIZ7banZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> <buffyslay@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1194038739.797125.187990@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> Our 5yr Old Son saved over our copy of Lego Star Wars ll, and now we
>>>>> cannot access the old copy which had all the missions completed so he
>>>>> could go in and play with different characters...
>>>>>
>>>>> Help - how do i get it back? its in the console log as mostly
>>>>> completed...
>>>> Smck him upside the head with the game disc, then make himeat it. That
>>>> should teach him
>>>>
>>> Ya, that's what to do, beat the shit out of a five year old because he
>>> erased your game saves. Please tell me you don't plan on reproducing??
>>> PLEASE get yourself fixed right away.
>>
>> You thought I was serious? Go visit some comedy clubs and get a clue.
>
> Just because you were joking doesn't mean that you're funny.

Yeah I used to be funny... not so nowadays. :((

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TOPIC: FREE!!!CASH OR FREE!!! XBOX 360!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/71a483f0effb2244?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:54 pm
From: jnpmalone@yahoo.com

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 7:43 pm
From: JoJo@yahoo.com (JoJo#1MSFanboy)

In article <1194191380.555603.245420@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
blig_murk@yahoo.com says...
>
> Here are the latest Japanese console hardware sales for the week of
>October 22 - 28:
>
> 1. NDS Lite - 76,243
> 2. PSP - 59,792
> 3. Wii - 27,502
> 4. PlayStation 3 - 18,785
> 5. PlayStation 2 - 11,698
> 6. Xbox 360 - 3,718
> 7. GB Micro - 64
> 8. GameCube - 58
> 9. GBA SP - 41
> 10. NDS - 30
>
>The novelty of the Wii is looking like it is wearing out and both the
>Wii and DS are showing a big drop in sales numbers, indications of
>reaching saturation levels.

I just love it. Bliggety thinks this is bad news for the DS and Wii. They are
at saturation levels because of huge sales for months on end and if the PSP
and PS3 are going to catch anything they will need the same thing. The PS3 and
the PSP sales are not catching the DS and Wii sales but the Nintendo sales are
dropping because of saturation(please tell us you are not that stupid
Bliggety). Saturation levels mean the Nintendo systems will be dominating the
software charts for a long while.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 7:45 pm
From: JoJo@yahoo.com (JoJo#1MSFanboy)

In article <PjwXi.2862$Gy4.1771@newsfe24.lga>, JoJo@yahoo.com says...
>
>In article <1194191380.555603.245420@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>blig_murk@yahoo.com says...
>>
>> Here are the latest Japanese console hardware sales for the week of
>>October 22 - 28:
>>
>> 1. NDS Lite - 76,243
>> 2. PSP - 59,792
>> 3. Wii - 27,502
>> 4. PlayStation 3 - 18,785
>> 5. PlayStation 2 - 11,698
>> 6. Xbox 360 - 3,718
>> 7. GB Micro - 64
>> 8. GameCube - 58
>> 9. GBA SP - 41
>> 10. NDS - 30
>>
>>The novelty of the Wii is looking like it is wearing out and both the
>>Wii and DS are showing a big drop in sales numbers, indications of
>>reaching saturation levels.
>
>I just love it. Bliggety thinks this is bad news for the DS and Wii. They are
>at saturation levels because of huge sales for months on end and if the PSP
>and PS3 are going to catch anything they will need the same thing. The PS3
and
>the PSP sales are not catching the DS and Wii sales but the Nintendo sales
are
>dropping because of saturation(please tell us you are not that stupid
>Bliggety). Saturation levels mean the Nintendo systems will be dominating the
>software charts for a long while.
>

Oops....I mean in Japan. We all know that two consoles are dominating the US
software charts and neither one starts with a P. Sucks to be you little
Bliggety Blu Boy.

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TOPIC: The clusterf*** that is guitarhero.com
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/af9c52821c787545?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 7:47 pm
From: "Rowdy J"

After trying with no success to link my GamerTag to my profile on the site,
I'd have to agree with you. Slow, non-responsive crap.

<Mitch@...> wrote in message
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> What a pile of crap. I wonder how much they paid Agora Games to build
> this non-functioning joke. I hope they sue them and get their money
> back.
>

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TOPIC: Surprise:A wonderful and powerful kind of bot appeared
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/e35054ea21fbd2b1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 8:06 pm
From: lemonetree

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TOPIC: On the Concept of "Replayability" was Re: Ratchet and Clank back up
over 90%
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/c81f8b53e338c9a7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 8:22 pm
From: "Tom"

"Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon452@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1194198422.299027.16320@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 2, 7:29 pm, Tom <jimver...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 2, 7:30 pm, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Oct 31, 11:05 pm, Tom <jimver...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Oct 31, 9:54 pm, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > On Oct 30, 8:36 pm, Tom <jimver...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > On Oct 30, 8:03 pm, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com>
>> > > > > wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > On Oct 29, 10:35 pm, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > > "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote in
>> > > > > > > messagenews:1193700099.988023.200810@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > > > > > > > What it needs isn't necessarily a "system seller", but more
>> > > > > > > > exclusive
>> > > > > > > > games that are good, if not great. Pricing the first party
>> > > > > > > > games
>> > > > > > > > competitively, like they used to do, would also help.
>>
>> > > > > > > True, but here's the issue to date. They have had exlcusives
>> > > > > > > come out over
>> > > > > > > the past 3 months, (I think) more than the 360, and a few are
>> > > > > > > highly rated
>> > > > > > > games. The issue is, there is enough hardware out for the
>> > > > > > > software to sell
>> > > > > > > very well, and that is just not happening. I wonder what the
>> > > > > > > attach rate is
>> > > > > > > right now for the PS3?
>>
>> > > > > > > For example, Heavenly Sword got pretty good scores, but has
>> > > > > > > sold like crap.
>> > > > > > > If the exclusives won't sell, people are not going to be
>> > > > > > > compelled to buy
>> > > > > > > more hardware, and hardware usually sells on word of mouth
>> > > > > > > because of ther
>> > > > > > > games. One issue I am seeing is that current Sony games are
>> > > > > > > similar to PS2
>> > > > > > > games, and it isn't translating into the world of online
>> > > > > > > gaming which is at
>> > > > > > > an alltime high, not only with PCs, but now with consoles.
>> > > > > > > Now people want
>> > > > > > > games that have online gaming/capabilities and multiplayer,
>> > > > > > > not just games
>> > > > > > > you pay in one mode and you are done with it; Sony is giving
>> > > > > > > very little of
>> > > > > > > that, if any at all. In fact, two friends of mine who were
>> > > > > > > avid Sony fans
>> > > > > > > made 360 purchases this year, my buddy next door, and a
>> > > > > > > co-worker, they love
>> > > > > > > the games and what they do, but they mainly like the
>> > > > > > > exclusives that have MP
>> > > > > > > mode and extra features.
>>
>> > > > > > > For me, I really won't get a game, unless it is an RPG (ala
>> > > > > > > Oblivion) that
>> > > > > > > keeps me interested for a long, that doesn't have online
>> > > > > > > gaming modes; it is
>> > > > > > > the reason I got into console gaming. How many times are
>> > > > > > > people going to
>> > > > > > > play HS, R&C, Folklore, Lair over and over again with getting
>> > > > > > > the same
>> > > > > > > ending and no MP mode. Do you see a great deal of replay
>> > > > > > > value?. They may
>> > > > > > > sell those games off causing a slight drop in real sales
>> > > > > > > otherwise. Also
>> > > > > > > look at the cross-platform games that were huge on the 360,
>> > > > > > > that have been
>> > > > > > > since released on the PS3, they have like a 1-10 sales ratio,
>> > > > > > > and you'd
>> > > > > > > think the PS3 owners would be buying these games to have
>> > > > > > > something to play;
>> > > > > > > something is happening, and it isn't game sales.
>>
>> > > > > > This isn't meant to be going off on you, Tom, so take it as
>> > > > > > it's
>> > > > > > worth:
>>
>> > > > > > What the hell has the gaming world come to, where a game must
>> > > > > > have
>> > > > > > online multiplayer to
>> > > > > > be considered "replayable"?
>>
>> > > > > > When I was younger, the idea of "online gaming" was pretty much
>> > > > > > unheard of, except at networks
>> > > > > > in college and the government. Bionic Commando had no
>> > > > > > multiplayer-
>> > > > > > that didn't keep me from replaying
>> > > > > > it again and again, after winning it. Same with Super Mario
>> > > > > > Brothers
>> > > > > > 3, Guerilla War, Revenge of Shinobi,
>> > > > > > and on and on and on. Before that, I had no problem playing
>> > > > > > Commando
>> > > > > > on my Commodore multiple times,
>> > > > > > or Defender on my Atari 2600, despite the complete lack of
>> > > > > > multiplayer. Games aren't just there to
>> > > > > > "get to the ending"- it's the journey, not the destination.
>>
>> > > > > > Any game that is good enough on its own can be "replayable",
>> > > > > > barring
>> > > > > > either serious pacing issues, a
>> > > > > > poor setup, or genre limitations, which I see mostly affecting
>> > > > > > survival horror games that rely more on
>> > > > > > shocking the player as its source of entertainment. Mundane
>> > > > > > games
>> > > > > > like Red Faction 2 or Project
>> > > > > > Snowblind are no more replayable just because they have
>> > > > > > multiplayer.
>> > > > > > And the big problem with games
>> > > > > > that rely heavily on multiplayer is that they rely on the
>> > > > > > assumption
>> > > > > > that everyone will love and continue to
>> > > > > > play the game online forever and ever. Well, what happens if
>> > > > > > the game
>> > > > > > flops, or if its popularity dies?
>> > > > > > If the single player game is an afterthought, then that $60
>> > > > > > feels
>> > > > > > awfully wasted........
>>
>> > > > > > I certainly can understand the appeal of a multiplayer mode.
>> > > > > > But it
>> > > > > > almost seems like reviewers place
>> > > > > > an undue emphasis on the idea that multiplayer and
>> > > > > > replayability are
>> > > > > > inseparable, Bioshock notwithstanding.
>> > > > > > It feels kind of like laziness to me, as if it's a template
>> > > > > > statement
>> > > > > > for reviewers who are more than
>> > > > > > happy to go on cliche autopilot.
>>
>> > > > > > OK, rant over.........- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > > > > But, this is what the world of gaming has come to, and we no
>> > > > > longer
>> > > > > have a choice that the interent is a huge and growing medium for
>> > > > > gaming. I gave mostly what I say I like, and the reasons why I
>> > > > > bought
>> > > > > into the Xbox and the 360, because of online gaming. I didn't buy
>> > > > > Bioshock because it didn't have MP or any extras so to speak.
>> > > > > Games
>> > > > > like Oblivion do appeal, because they have a lot of play time
>> > > > > involved
>> > > > > and can be played multiple ways; that was the point I was making
>> > > > > really. These games for the PS3 are mimicking what PS2 games did,
>> > > > > except many PS3 game exclusives are not including MP or anything
>> > > > > else
>> > > > > online, though it offers this on PSN.
>>
>> > > > > I am not knocking the PS3 games, but Sony has to appeal to the
>> > > > > markets
>> > > > > now, not just what I like or you like. Otherwise, what you say
>> > > > > would
>> > > > > have games selling of the shelves for the PS3. You do know that
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > past and current gens of console gaming is based and developed
>> > > > > because
>> > > > > of what games did online for the PC for years before, and it
>> > > > > shows
>> > > > > with the first Xbox and the 360.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > > > Consider this, though- the original Xbox had a far superior online
>> > > > component compared to the PS2,
>> > > > yet it still came in second by a substantial margin.
>>
>> > > But, the Xbox was a year later, and the DC was all but dead, so for
>> > > that gen the only competition was Xbox, so the PS2 had a big sales
>> > > jump, consider also, it followed a hugely successful PS1, the Xbox
>> > > was
>> > > no follow up. But what made the Xbox great was not only the better
>> > > and
>> > > more powerful hardware, but the fact that it had a robust online
>> > > gaming system in the works that came out nearly a year after its
>> > > release. I think Ghost Recon offered the best look at online console
>> > > gaming, and it stole the show, that game was freaking awesome for
>> > > that
>> > > time. Then Halo2 set the standard, but the PS2, though having the
>> > > capabilities, followed with a fairly poor service with so few games
>> > > that offered any online gaming, but it sold and sold big. Now, you'd
>> > > think the Sony name would sell itself, and I think Sony kept to that.
>> > > Though their hardware sales are getting a bit better with the PS3,
>> > > they still are not good. But more importantly, their software sales
>> > > downright stink, now think of the times now to then, and consider
>> > > why.
>>
>> > > > The Wii is
>> > > > already ramping up console sales, despite
>> > > > a weak online system. There is no doubt that an online component
>> > > > is a
>> > > > consideration.
>>
>> > > The Wii is a niche market, and we know what the N64 and GC did in
>> > > sales, it wasn't all that, and give it another year or so, and you'll
>> > > see how well it does since it is gimicky (I could be wrong though).
>> > > Right now, it has the poorest attach rate of the 3 consoles, that
>> > > says
>> > > it's collecting dust more than being played, people won't keep buying
>> > > it if the games are not selling.
>>
>> > > .
>>
>> > > > But what you're
>> > > > saying sort of misses my point- online multiplayer is not a
>> > > > necessity
>> > > > for something to have "replay
>> > > > value".
>>
>> > > Tell me games like Folklore and Heavenly Sword have a lot of replay
>> > > value, they have very little at best,
>>
>> > I haven't played Heavenly Sword, but if it was a good game that's
>> > actually fun to play, and
>> > does not have a super-scripted gameplay style (where there's very
>> > little chance to try different
>> > approaches, and the AI _never_ diverges from doing the same exact
>> > thing), then, yes, it would
>> > have replay value. That's different than "value for the money", and
>> > if Heavenly Sword is as
>> > short as the reviews indicate (a little more than half the length of
>> > God of War 2), then it certainly
>> > doesn't have value for the money. "Value for the money" is actually
>> > what is suffering nowadays,
>> > with games being more expensive, but having less content. This is
>> > something that is hurting all
>> > the systems, but Sony isn't helping itself with its sparse first party
>> > release schedule.
>>
>> > Folklore is an RPG, so the "replay value" factor isn't a major one, as
>> > RPGs are usually
>> > long enough for the "value for the money" factor to dominate.
>>
>> Folklore is way more Action/Adventure with a little RPG element.
>
> What I gathered from the reviews was that it was an action-RPG- far
> more than a "little" RPG element. I could be wrong, as I haven't
> played it.
>
>>
>>
>>
>> > >and this is what is killing
>> > > Sony, they are sticking with what was good years ago when console
>> > > gaming didn't require a lot more than initial excitement while they
>> > > churn out games en mass for the multitudes of PS2 owners to choose
>> > > from, because they didn't have but one element of gaming to them,
>> > > mainly single story play. This is different now with all the
>> > > experience with different modes of play that PC gaming brought about.
>> > > Online PC gaming, when about the time the PS2 came along was taking
>> > > off fast, it was barely an infant when about the time the PS1 came
>> > > out. But it did take off and so did the reasoning why current
>> > > consoles
>> > > are selling, they are not just single mode single story games
>> > > anymore,
>> > > and people want more because they know there is more out there now.
>> > > People do see and think what is out when they play games you know,
>> > > and
>> > > it is going to keep changing, Sony seems to stay the course.
>>
>> > But by your argument, Sony ISN'T staying the course when it releases
>> > Warhawk,
>> > which has NO single player element........and that, IMO, was a big
>> > mistake.
>>
>> Nick, I generalized single story, but in this case, and it is the only
>> one without a story, but it still has onlys a single element, that
>> beingMP mode. I was simply pointing out, while the PS2 kept doing its
>> thing, the Xbox was creating more gaming modes as does the 360, and
>> the PS3 seems to be doing the same thing as before.
>>
>
> Considering that the PS2 still had a fair number of multiplayer games,
> I'm not sure your point is that strong. Xbox Live was a much more
> efficient and centralized system, but I'm not sure that the game
> libraries themselves reflected any major trend.
>
>> > for Halo's success, the first game featured single player prominently,
>> > and got a lot of
>> > its fanbase due to the single player game. After all, the actual
>> > number of gamers who
>> > had the resources for the famous system link parties couldn't have
>> > been that high.
>>
>> Keep in mind, many Halo sales were bundles with the Xbox, that's how I
>> got mine.
>
> I'm not sure if that was the case for at least a couple of years after
> launch. But Halo was already the most prominent game of the Xbox
> library within the first year.
>
>>
>>
>>
>> > > > As for PC online gaming dictating console gaming, I don't see
>> > > > that, with the exception of
>> > > > FPS games. Games like God of War and Grand Theft Auto 3 weren't
>> > > > inspired by Quake, that's for
>> > > > sure. And Halo, probably one of the most popular console FPS
>> > > > games,
>> > > > diverged from PC FPS tradition
>> > > > by having a fairly significant gameplay element that pulled out of
>> > > > the
>> > > > first person view- vehicular combat.
>>
>> > > I am in no way dismissing what you say, but if what you say really
>> > > follows, then PS3 sales for their most recent releases should be
>> > > through the roof translating into big hardware sales, it isn't . They
>> > > are doing very poorly, and I am only guessing that my assumptions are
>> > > the reasons why; the times have changed, and Sony isn't changing.-
>> > > Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > The reason is that Sony launched a year late against a competitor
>> > which WASN'T Sega,
>> > with an overly expensive price tag, and the most moronic pre-launch PR
>> > seen in a while,
>> > and the launch lineup was not really strong. It wasn't necessarily
>> > that Sony was stuck in a
>> > "genre rut", but that people were hoping for titles that reflected the
>> > PS2 lineup at its strongest,
>> > and got something that was more ho-hum.
>>
>> All what you listed are some reasons for weak sales, etc, those have
>> been covered for months now. I am talking about now, with the
>> exclusives Sony is releasing. Don't you see, they are not selling
>> these games and there is a reason why, considering they have almost
>> 5.5mil consoles out the door and I gave my reasons which I will again,
>> what other reason can you think of.
>
> Sony has released little more than a trickle of exclusives. Heavenly
> Sword didn't sell that well because of the reviews saying it was far
> shorter than God of War 2, but it still sold OK. The God of War games
> sold pretty well, despite the fact that they had NO multiplayer

GoW2 is for a system that probably still has an install base of at least
60mil units, yet to date RFOM has sold more copies and has MP.

> HS was a case of "not enough value for the money". Ratchet & Clank just
> released, and has had precious little advertising prior to release.
> Lair suffered TERRIBLE press, due to the motion control fiasco. I'm
> sure that if one of these franchises had been the main prop of the
> prior console iteration's success, and had $10 million+ in advertising
> behind it, the attach rate would have been quite a bit greater. I
> can't really think of any other recent Sony exclusives.

Well you gave some reasons why you think these exclusives are not selling.

>
> Also, are those 5.5 million consoles sold, or shipped?

Sold

>
>>I am thinking it is because they
>> offer no more than a single element to the game, that mostly being a
>> single story that has little replay value.
>
> I've already given my argument why the statement that a single player
> story has no "replay value" is erroneous. I haven't seen anything to
> show that my argument is wrong.

OK, RFOM has single story and MP mode, and it sold over 1.7million copies.
Motorstorm sold 1.4 million, it has multiplayer.

Do you see the appeal as these have replay value, times have changed from
2000-2002 to now. People buy consoles that have games, they talk about games
and what you can do with them, and the word spreads, positive or negative.
The recent Sony exclusives (I already gave reasons why cross-platforms are
not selling well) are not selling because they lack anything other than one
playing element to the games, that's my reason, look at what has sold.
Here's another example, Dirt on the 360 came out 2 months before the PS3
version, yet the PS3 version has sold more by 25% in total sales. Though the
numbers are not big, it has MP, and the game is superior to the 360 version.
R7C is pretty much one of the bread and butter games for the PS system, yet
in its first week, it only outsold total PS3 Dirt sales by 16K, and Dirt is
definitely not a household gaming name. But, you see where I am going now?

>
>>This in a time now where MP
>> online gaming is big,
>
> Not big enough to keep Shadowrun from flopping.

You're picking out one game, not all games are going to sell well, that's a
fact on any system. But look at the recent (again I am stressing this to
you) exclusives from Sony that are not selling well at all, and none have
nothing more than a single playing element to the game. Is this just a
coincidence after I showed you the Motorstorm and RFOM numbers?

>
>>and the 360 makes almost all of their games that
>> mode. Sony is selling exclusives with nothing more than one elemnt to
>> the game (whether it be MP or single story only).
>>
>> Read the latest attach rates for the PS3, and give why you think the
>> games are not selling.
>
> See above.
>

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 8:28 pm
From: "Tom"

the PS3 advertisements during the Colt/Pats game? They kinda had an
advertising blitz there, and it did so aimed at the right market that would
have been watching that game. Also, they advertised the COD4 game (no
specific console mentioned, and the movie Hitman, which is a game also.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 9:27 pm
From: TheLightsAreOn

stars20226@hotmail.com wrote in news:1194215807.420725.319750
@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> On Nov 3, 11:56 pm, Jeff Holinski <nospam_Holin...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> If so, how is it?
>> I liked the demo and have been thinking of picking up the full game.
>> Remove nospam_ to reply by email
>>
>> Jeff H........
>
> I got this one about a week ago and finally got around to opening it
> last night. So far, I love it. It is definitely inspired by God of
> War, but with enough to keep it fresh. As one of the posters above
> said, it does remind one of those sorely missed hack and slash games
> of the good old days.
>
> I would recommend it if you have $60 burning a hole in your pocket.
>
>
>

I am about 2/3rds way through, but would recomment waiting until it has had
at least one price cut.

It is a great hack and slash, but I want to know who thought it was okay to
allow one of your combos to be interupted by an enemy touching you, but
there is nothing you can do to stop one of theirs. Probably the same person
who okayed the slow motion effect after you land a good combo, but then
allow your enemy recover instantly and land a combo on you before you even
get control of your charecter back.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 11:41 pm
From: "Ethan Hammond"

"Robert Scaglione" <captchaossega@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:VDjXi.1571$Zz.1458@trnddc07...
> That stuns me. I loved the original on Xbox and thought the seqeal would
> naturaly come out on all the next generation systems, but it's only for
> Wii
> and PS3? Will there be a 360 version in the future? (Like a belated
> release
> with thet GTA franchises on Xbox?)

The game is garbage though, GARBAGE!

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 11:44 pm
From: "Ethan Hammond"

<alvinstraight38@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1193788187.023959.187670@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> Things just keep getting better for PS3. Looks like Xbox owners get
> to enjoy the inferior version of the most anticipated title this
> season. It has been confirmed that the PS3 version will support 18
> players vs Xbox's 16. The PS3 visuals are also said to at least match
> and probably exceed Xbox's. Sucks to be a
> Xbot! lol

But hey the 360 has Bioshock and the PS3 has Lair so they
have to give the PS3 one once in awhile!

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 11:45 pm
From: "Ethan Hammond"

"Jonah Falcon" <jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:1194017803.196937.211090@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> Famitsu awarded Assassin's Creed a 37 (10, 8, 9, 10) out of 40, citing
> the story, presentation, and acrobatics, while criticizing the one
> button combat, map layout, and camera problems.

But they love one button combat in mighty Dynasty Warriors!

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