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TOPIC: WTF??? PS3 version of PES 2008 has worse framerate drops/slow-downs
than the 360??
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/d16e71798df5a48d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 4:39 pm
From: John Adams

Holy Moses wrote:
>So, some guys claiming something on
> the internet becomes a fact?

If they are true then they are fact.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 8:34 pm
From: Holy Moses

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:39:16 GMT, John Adams <me@none.invalid> wrote:

>Holy Moses wrote:
>>So, some guys claiming something on
>> the internet becomes a fact?
>
>If they are true then they are fact.

So, an opinion of FIFA08 is better than the PES 2008 demo is a fact to
you then? Wow, that makes alot of sense, milkweg. LOL!

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TOPIC: Halo 3 Infection
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/688c63fce69c2d7a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 4:49 pm
From: "Scrub"

"Jonah Falcon" <jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:13ih7tpfre9oba7@corp.supernews.com...
> On Oct 31, 10:58 am, shadowxx <shadowxx> wrote:
>> Which ranked games does it appear in today?
>
> I haven't checked, but I believe it has its own playlist.
>

Yeah had its own Lobby. Got old real fast though

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TOPIC: Ex Developer Says PS3 NOT as powerful as 360
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/dbb509b694fd0a24?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 4:52 pm
From: slayerman89@hotmail.com

I've had a pirate themed shop and have been a pirate ALL DAY for
Halloween and I told myself I wouldn't let it spill onto usenet...

Epic failure...

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 7:32 pm
From: "Big Daddy"

"Rowdy J" <rowdyj@aol.com> wrote in message
news:YVOVi.15952$lD6.8889@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

>> But, would that make the console a PoS?
>
> Well, with the controller dropouts I've been experiencing (yes, most
> launch machines have this issue), and the constant firmware updates to
> make things work that should've worked upon launch, and the whole rumble
> fiasco (having to buy new controllers to take advantage of it), and Sony's
> broken promises about various software and release dates, yes... I think
> it qualifies it as a PoS.

well this proves that you don't own the console. I think the last firmware
update was mid september

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 7:34 pm
From: "Big Daddy"

"Rowdy J" <rowdyj@aol.com> wrote in message
news:uYOVi.15955$lD6.1147@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
> ASS BANDIT.

I doubted you have a ps3 based on your comment about firmware updates, and
now I doubt your old enough to have a 10 year old as this type of post
couldn't come from someone much older than that himself.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 8:03 pm
From: "Big Daddy"

"The alMIGHTY N" <natlee75@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> If that were true, more people would be more willing to forgive.

No *people* would still bash because they hate Sony.

> However, you are absolutely incorrect. The *final* development kits
> were released to studios in August, 3 months before launch. Those were
> third-generatioin development kits with final specs exactly matching
> the Playstation 3.
>
> The first development kits were sent out to select third-party
> developers in early 2005! EA, Epic and other larger companies were
> already developing games by the time E3 2005 rolled around in May of
> that year.

They only released around 100 dev kits in June of 2005 (not early 2005).
The released close to 10,000 3 months before release in 2006 (August).

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TOPIC: Virtua Fighter 5 Online
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/807eeba53ed6cf6b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 4:54 pm
From: "Rowdy J"

Been playing quite a bit this afternoon. Still have all my Wolf moves down!

Great game... and the online takes it to another competitive level.

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TOPIC: Metal Gear Solid 4 delayed further... again
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/67e3fc0a0644ef8e?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 5:06 pm
From: Doug Jacobs

In alt.games.video.xbox Jonah Falcon <jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Huh? The PS3 didn't exactly sell like wildfire in Japan. I thought
> Konami was doing a worldwide release, not Japan-only release. (laugh)

I think you missed his subtle jab...

For one thing, there hasn't been an announcement about a 360 version of
the game, even though a lot of people think it's only a matter of time.
Even then, the PS3 version will still be a limited time exclusive.

Also, considering the worldwide sales of the PS3, does it even make sense
for Konami to do a release?

--
It's not broken. It's...advanced.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 6:31 pm
From: Jonah Falcon

On Oct 31, 8:06 pm, Doug Jacobs <djac...@shell.rawbw.com> wrote:
> In alt.games.video.xbox Jonah Falcon <jonahny...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > Huh? The PS3 didn't exactly sell like wildfire in Japan. I thought
> > Konami was doing a worldwide release, not Japan-only release. (laugh)
>
> I think you missed his subtle jab...
>
> For one thing, there hasn't been an announcement about a 360 version of
> the game, even though a lot of people think it's only a matter of time.
> Even then, the PS3 version will still be a limited time exclusive.
>
> Also, considering the worldwide sales of the PS3, does it even make sense
> for Konami to do a release?
>

They better, because they already paid time and money for development.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 6:41 pm
From: KSDJ1@webtv.net (Private Private)

>From: djacobs@shell.rawbw.com (Doug Jacobs)
>For one thing, there hasn't been an announcement about a
>360 version of the game, even though a lot of
>people think it's only a matter of time. Even then,
>the PS3 version will still be a limited time exclusive.

True not officialy announced but word on the dev street is it'll be a
non-Kojima-port ,meaning a different development team. Possible
different story arc?
On the other hand,
I think Splinter Cell:Conviction is gonna be good,maybe great. I was
playing Double Agent last night and realized how good they did the
character animation and shading,its really quite artistic. Its been
awhile since I played DA I forgot how good the characters looked
,especially Sam Fisher.I wish Bioshock had more that 'real' human look
not cartooney like Bioshock or oversized arms like Gears.
Trying to get 100% stealth in DA is fun ,not just run and shoot, I love
games that require you too think more.

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TOPIC: free xbox 360's no joke
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/e4f13c113dc9039c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 5:47 pm
From: bonitoclarkito@gmail.com

On Oct 31, 6:12 pm, Doug Jacobs <djac...@shell.rawbw.com> wrote:
> Go DIAF, spammer.
>
> All those sites are the same old scam.
>
> --
> It's not broken. It's...advanced.

wow your obvioiuslty pretty stupid and closed minded

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TOPIC: COD4 PS3 Version Will Be Superior to Xbox
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/fcc5db383e9c7966?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 5:55 pm
From: "Rob"

"CellFish" <nomorespam@forme.com> wrote in message
news:4727e81d$0$30094$7836cce5@newsrazor.net...
> "Rob" <bucfan11@SPAMtampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:13ifpb6buiamgda@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "CellFish" <nomorespam@forme.com> wrote in message
>> news:4727dda7$0$30111$7836cce5@newsrazor.net...
>>> <alvinstraight38@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1193788187.023959.187670@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Things just keep getting better for PS3. Looks like Xbox owners get
>>>> to enjoy the inferior version of the most anticipated title this
>>>> season. It has been confirmed that the PS3 version will support 18
>>>> players vs Xbox's 16. The PS3 visuals are also said to at least match
>>>> and probably exceed Xbox's. Sucks to be a
>>>> Xbot! lol
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> * BREAKING NEWS * Microsoft has bowed out of the video games business
>>> and announced its bankruptcy because a third-party's game will not
>>> support two extra players.
>>>
>>> In other news, Linux now has 99% market share and American cars are
>>> praised for their reliability.
>> Actually, Ford has 3 vehicles listed on top for reliability.
>>
>
>
> That's the Volvo effect actually. Ever since Ford bought Volvo, Volvo cars
> have suddenly become more Ford-like (sudden ability to rust prematurely,
> more frequent visits to the mechanic) and Fords have become more
> Volvo-like (they actually work). Either way, I stand by my sarcastic
> comment.

And Toyota has dropped:

http://news.yahoo.com:80/s/nm/20071016/bs_nm/autos_reliability_dc_1;_ylt=AmlB6Mi_9bej3O8a2GWguXoE1vAI

The same study found gains for Ford Motor Co. (F.N), which landed three
models on the magazine's "most reliable" list.

Consumer Reports ranked the Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan and the automaker's
market-leading F-150 pickup truck with a V-6 engine as among the
most-reliable new vehicles on the market.

"Ford continues to improve," David Champion, director of auto testing for
Consumer Reports...

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 6:29 pm
From: KSDJ1@webtv.net (Private Private)

Please don't start the UT3 is exclusive thread..ugh..its not ,and the
jury is still out on COD4 having better graphics on the PS3
But if Haze and Uncharted play and look good I might have to pick a PS3
up,Ebgames has an 80g with Motorstorm and 5 Blu-Ray movies for $499,not
too shabby IMO

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TOPIC: PS3 sales triple in Europe and three times greater than xflop 3-shitty
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/0d585f063c01c8e4?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 5:59 pm
From: Blig Merk

The graph is from Nintendo and does show the Wii still outselling both
but it also shows PS3 sales in Europe have tripled in the past two
weeks and sales are triple of the xflop 3-shitty. The xflop 3-shitty
has already lost Japan and is now on the way to totally losing Europe.
It outsold the PS3 for the week of the Gheylo 3 launch but fell off a
cliff after that. That is with the Gheylo 3 launch representing 3
years of build-up with nothing else on the horizon even coming close
to the zombie hype train Micro$lut made out of that piece of total
crap. By the middle of next year, it will be obvious the xflop 3-
shitty had experienced total defeat in Europe. That will leave only
the North American market left and a console cannot survive, much less
win by maintaining a foothold in only 1/3 of the world market. Add
that to the fact the xflop 3-shitty is selling at a much lower rate
than the XFLop, with sales flattening, and it is obvious the xflop 3-
shitty is on its death march. And before the copycat xflop fanbitches
come back with their usual "I am rubber, you are glue" response for
the PS3 being in the same situation --- it isn't. PS3 sales are slow
but they are still increasing, not flatlining like the xflop 3-shitty.

http://www.irwebcasting.com/071026/30/b75ad2bf15/image/p39.gif

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 6:30 pm
From: Jonah Falcon

Poor Blig Merk.

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TOPIC: On the Concept of "Replayability" was Re: Ratchet and Clank back up
over 90%
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/c81f8b53e338c9a7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 6:54 pm
From: "Nick Soapdish, Jr."

On Oct 30, 8:36 pm, Tom <jimver...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 30, 8:03 pm, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 29, 10:35 pm, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:1193700099.988023.200810@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > What it needs isn't necessarily a "system seller", but more exclusive
> > > > games that are good, if not great. Pricing the first party games
> > > > competitively, like they used to do, would also help.
>
> > > True, but here's the issue to date. They have had exlcusives come out over
> > > the past 3 months, (I think) more than the 360, and a few are highly rated
> > > games. The issue is, there is enough hardware out for the software to sell
> > > very well, and that is just not happening. I wonder what the attach rate is
> > > right now for the PS3?
>
> > > For example, Heavenly Sword got pretty good scores, but has sold like crap.
> > > If the exclusives won't sell, people are not going to be compelled to buy
> > > more hardware, and hardware usually sells on word of mouth because of ther
> > > games. One issue I am seeing is that current Sony games are similar to PS2
> > > games, and it isn't translating into the world of online gaming which is at
> > > an alltime high, not only with PCs, but now with consoles. Now people want
> > > games that have online gaming/capabilities and multiplayer, not just games
> > > you pay in one mode and you are done with it; Sony is giving very little of
> > > that, if any at all. In fact, two friends of mine who were avid Sony fans
> > > made 360 purchases this year, my buddy next door, and a co-worker, they love
> > > the games and what they do, but they mainly like the exclusives that have MP
> > > mode and extra features.
>
> > > For me, I really won't get a game, unless it is an RPG (ala Oblivion) that
> > > keeps me interested for a long, that doesn't have online gaming modes; it is
> > > the reason I got into console gaming. How many times are people going to
> > > play HS, R&C, Folklore, Lair over and over again with getting the same
> > > ending and no MP mode. Do you see a great deal of replay value?. They may
> > > sell those games off causing a slight drop in real sales otherwise. Also
> > > look at the cross-platform games that were huge on the 360, that have been
> > > since released on the PS3, they have like a 1-10 sales ratio, and you'd
> > > think the PS3 owners would be buying these games to have something to play;
> > > something is happening, and it isn't game sales.
>
> > This isn't meant to be going off on you, Tom, so take it as it's
> > worth:
>
> > What the hell has the gaming world come to, where a game must have
> > online multiplayer to
> > be considered "replayable"?
>
> > When I was younger, the idea of "online gaming" was pretty much
> > unheard of, except at networks
> > in college and the government. Bionic Commando had no multiplayer-
> > that didn't keep me from replaying
> > it again and again, after winning it. Same with Super Mario Brothers
> > 3, Guerilla War, Revenge of Shinobi,
> > and on and on and on. Before that, I had no problem playing Commando
> > on my Commodore multiple times,
> > or Defender on my Atari 2600, despite the complete lack of
> > multiplayer. Games aren't just there to
> > "get to the ending"- it's the journey, not the destination.
>
> > Any game that is good enough on its own can be "replayable", barring
> > either serious pacing issues, a
> > poor setup, or genre limitations, which I see mostly affecting
> > survival horror games that rely more on
> > shocking the player as its source of entertainment. Mundane games
> > like Red Faction 2 or Project
> > Snowblind are no more replayable just because they have multiplayer.
> > And the big problem with games
> > that rely heavily on multiplayer is that they rely on the assumption
> > that everyone will love and continue to
> > play the game online forever and ever. Well, what happens if the game
> > flops, or if its popularity dies?
> > If the single player game is an afterthought, then that $60 feels
> > awfully wasted........
>
> > I certainly can understand the appeal of a multiplayer mode. But it
> > almost seems like reviewers place
> > an undue emphasis on the idea that multiplayer and replayability are
> > inseparable, Bioshock notwithstanding.
> > It feels kind of like laziness to me, as if it's a template statement
> > for reviewers who are more than
> > happy to go on cliche autopilot.
>
> > OK, rant over.........- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> But, this is what the world of gaming has come to, and we no longer
> have a choice that the interent is a huge and growing medium for
> gaming. I gave mostly what I say I like, and the reasons why I bought
> into the Xbox and the 360, because of online gaming. I didn't buy
> Bioshock because it didn't have MP or any extras so to speak. Games
> like Oblivion do appeal, because they have a lot of play time involved
> and can be played multiple ways; that was the point I was making
> really. These games for the PS3 are mimicking what PS2 games did,
> except many PS3 game exclusives are not including MP or anything else
> online, though it offers this on PSN.
>
> I am not knocking the PS3 games, but Sony has to appeal to the markets
> now, not just what I like or you like. Otherwise, what you say would
> have games selling of the shelves for the PS3. You do know that the
> past and current gens of console gaming is based and developed because
> of what games did online for the PC for years before, and it shows
> with the first Xbox and the 360.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Consider this, though- the original Xbox had a far superior online
component compared to the PS2,
yet it still came in second by a substantial margin. The Wii is
already ramping up console sales, despite
a weak online system. There is no doubt that an online component is a
consideration. But what you're
saying sort of misses my point- online multiplayer is not a necessity
for something to have "replay
value". As for PC online gaming dictating console gaming, I don't see
that, with the exception of
FPS games. Games like God of War and Grand Theft Auto 3 weren't
inspired by Quake, that's for
sure. And Halo, probably one of the most popular console FPS games,
diverged from PC FPS tradition
by having a fairly significant gameplay element that pulled out of the
first person view- vehicular combat.

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TOPIC: Ratchett and Clanks sells a whopping 97,000 copies in first week!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/e0c2b7ea4f8bca94?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 7:02 pm
From: evadnikufesin

elrous0@pop.uky.edu wrote:
> Wow, you PS3 fanboys must be proud.
>
> Hey, if it had sold another 20,000 it would have matched the sales
> numbers of the mega-hit "Ace Combat 6" on the 360.
>
> Your console is definitely on its way with powerhouses like this one.
> MS should be surrendering any day now.
>
> -Eric
>

Fuck off, bitch.

--
"We are living in a gelded age..." -Savage

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TOPIC: GH3 (PS3) has some problems
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/dc9c264b6cc61604?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 7:26 pm
From: "Big Daddy"

"Jordan" <lundj@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1193828735.523964.97680@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 30, 7:20 pm, Jonah Falcon <jonahny...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> http://xbox360.gamespy.com/xbox-360/guitar-hero-iii/831299p3.html
>
> The big problem I've heard on the PS3 side is note lag, but I don't
> know if it's a genuine problem with that version or if the people
> having it just never went into the calibration screen and fixed the
> HDTV lag.

I heard about note lag on the PS3 about 2 months before release (some
"blogger" played it at a trade show and reported it was a *serious* issue),
but I haven't heard anything about it since.

I have it on PS3 and haven't noticed any lag, though I'm new to the series.

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TOPIC: 34 songs in... taking a break...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/8a4efb492f500a80?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 7:53 pm
From: "Big Daddy"

"Private Private" <KSDJ1@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:22829-47276E6B-907@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net...
>Once you learn a few barr chords ,though, you can play about 90% of
>Metallica's basic riffs and Black Sabbath,Megadeth,Iron Maiden, Nirvana,
>I could go on for days, the list is LONG

Well first, barre chords are hard (takes a long time to even build up the
finger tolerance to play them), but second..even knowing them doesn't help
if you can't change them in rhythm, which takes months...if not years of
practice.

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TOPIC: Using a Wireless Router instead of the Xbox Branded one?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/080457b48604ccb8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 8:18 pm
From: Kat.Hayes@gmail.com

Is there anyway to connect a wireless router to a 360 so I can use the
360 wirelessly without having to purchase the Microsoft wireless
device?
If so, what should I look for in the router to see if it will be
compatible?

Thanks.

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TOPIC: Do any of the new 360s have the newer chip?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/9b47c09723720eca?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 8:21 pm
From: Kat.Hayes@gmail.com

Does the Arcade or any other 360 run cooler or have any performance
gains over the older ones?

Thanks.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 8:22 pm
From: Kat.Hayes@gmail.com

Does the Arcade or any other 360 run cooler or have any performance
gains over the older ones?

Thanks.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 8:39 pm
From: Holy Moses

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:21:02 -0700, Kat.Hayes@gmail.com wrote:

>Does the Arcade or any other 360 run cooler or have any performance
>gains over the older ones?
>
>Thanks.

No performance gains, just runs a little cooler if the new console you
purchase ends up having the new falcon mobo and the 65nm cpu on it.

Still, the overheating problem associated with the 360 is due to the
gpu in the console, not the cpu. And the gpu is still the older 90nm
fab and the new 65nm gpus won't be going into the 360's until about
this time next year.

Make sure your Lot# is 0734 or greater and has a later manufacturing
date of 08/24/07, as reported here,
http://forums.xbox.com/15804553/ShowPost.aspx.

I honestly doubt that the new heatsink, along with the new mobo and
the smaller fab 65nm cpu will significantly reduce the 360's RROD and
overheating related problems though. It's just woefully
underventilated in the first place. And they haven't dealt with the
biggest culprit of the RROD issue, the gpu.

But it still doesn't hurt to get your hands on the newer lots.

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TOPIC: 360 attach rate by far best of any console
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/b8beba77a9bb8e74?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 8:26 pm
From: "CellFish"

"Jonah Falcon" <jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:1193871233.606884.48530@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> Xbox 360: hardware to software ratio: 6.59 (hardware total sold = 6.8
> million; software total sold = 44.8 million)
>
> PlayStation 3: hardware to software ratio: 3.58 (hardware total sold =
> 1.9 million; software total sold = 6.8 million)
>
> Wii: hardware to software ratio: 3.44 (hardware total sold = 4.5
> million; software total sold = 15.5 million)
>
> http://www.joystiq.com/2007/10/31/360-leads-hardware-to-software-ratio-wii-and-ps3-trail-with-sim/
>

Proof, yet again, that the 360 has the greatest library of games this
generation.

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