PSP News: October 2007

Wednesday, October 31, 2007

25 new messages in 15 topics - digest

alt.games.video.xbox
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox?hl=en

alt.games.video.xbox@googlegroups.com

Today's topics:

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TOPIC: WTF??? PS3 version of PES 2008 has worse framerate drops/slow-downs
than the 360??
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/d16e71798df5a48d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 4:39 pm
From: John Adams

Holy Moses wrote:
>So, some guys claiming something on
> the internet becomes a fact?

If they are true then they are fact.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 8:34 pm
From: Holy Moses

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:39:16 GMT, John Adams <me@none.invalid> wrote:

>Holy Moses wrote:
>>So, some guys claiming something on
>> the internet becomes a fact?
>
>If they are true then they are fact.

So, an opinion of FIFA08 is better than the PES 2008 demo is a fact to
you then? Wow, that makes alot of sense, milkweg. LOL!

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TOPIC: Halo 3 Infection
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/688c63fce69c2d7a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 4:49 pm
From: "Scrub"

"Jonah Falcon" <jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:13ih7tpfre9oba7@corp.supernews.com...
> On Oct 31, 10:58 am, shadowxx <shadowxx> wrote:
>> Which ranked games does it appear in today?
>
> I haven't checked, but I believe it has its own playlist.
>

Yeah had its own Lobby. Got old real fast though

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TOPIC: Ex Developer Says PS3 NOT as powerful as 360
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/dbb509b694fd0a24?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 4:52 pm
From: slayerman89@hotmail.com

I've had a pirate themed shop and have been a pirate ALL DAY for
Halloween and I told myself I wouldn't let it spill onto usenet...

Epic failure...

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 7:32 pm
From: "Big Daddy"

"Rowdy J" <rowdyj@aol.com> wrote in message
news:YVOVi.15952$lD6.8889@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

>> But, would that make the console a PoS?
>
> Well, with the controller dropouts I've been experiencing (yes, most
> launch machines have this issue), and the constant firmware updates to
> make things work that should've worked upon launch, and the whole rumble
> fiasco (having to buy new controllers to take advantage of it), and Sony's
> broken promises about various software and release dates, yes... I think
> it qualifies it as a PoS.

well this proves that you don't own the console. I think the last firmware
update was mid september

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 7:34 pm
From: "Big Daddy"

"Rowdy J" <rowdyj@aol.com> wrote in message
news:uYOVi.15955$lD6.1147@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
> ASS BANDIT.

I doubted you have a ps3 based on your comment about firmware updates, and
now I doubt your old enough to have a 10 year old as this type of post
couldn't come from someone much older than that himself.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 8:03 pm
From: "Big Daddy"

"The alMIGHTY N" <natlee75@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> If that were true, more people would be more willing to forgive.

No *people* would still bash because they hate Sony.

> However, you are absolutely incorrect. The *final* development kits
> were released to studios in August, 3 months before launch. Those were
> third-generatioin development kits with final specs exactly matching
> the Playstation 3.
>
> The first development kits were sent out to select third-party
> developers in early 2005! EA, Epic and other larger companies were
> already developing games by the time E3 2005 rolled around in May of
> that year.

They only released around 100 dev kits in June of 2005 (not early 2005).
The released close to 10,000 3 months before release in 2006 (August).

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TOPIC: Virtua Fighter 5 Online
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/807eeba53ed6cf6b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 4:54 pm
From: "Rowdy J"

Been playing quite a bit this afternoon. Still have all my Wolf moves down!

Great game... and the online takes it to another competitive level.

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TOPIC: Metal Gear Solid 4 delayed further... again
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/67e3fc0a0644ef8e?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 5:06 pm
From: Doug Jacobs

In alt.games.video.xbox Jonah Falcon <jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Huh? The PS3 didn't exactly sell like wildfire in Japan. I thought
> Konami was doing a worldwide release, not Japan-only release. (laugh)

I think you missed his subtle jab...

For one thing, there hasn't been an announcement about a 360 version of
the game, even though a lot of people think it's only a matter of time.
Even then, the PS3 version will still be a limited time exclusive.

Also, considering the worldwide sales of the PS3, does it even make sense
for Konami to do a release?

--
It's not broken. It's...advanced.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 6:31 pm
From: Jonah Falcon

On Oct 31, 8:06 pm, Doug Jacobs <djac...@shell.rawbw.com> wrote:
> In alt.games.video.xbox Jonah Falcon <jonahny...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > Huh? The PS3 didn't exactly sell like wildfire in Japan. I thought
> > Konami was doing a worldwide release, not Japan-only release. (laugh)
>
> I think you missed his subtle jab...
>
> For one thing, there hasn't been an announcement about a 360 version of
> the game, even though a lot of people think it's only a matter of time.
> Even then, the PS3 version will still be a limited time exclusive.
>
> Also, considering the worldwide sales of the PS3, does it even make sense
> for Konami to do a release?
>

They better, because they already paid time and money for development.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 6:41 pm
From: KSDJ1@webtv.net (Private Private)

>From: djacobs@shell.rawbw.com (Doug Jacobs)
>For one thing, there hasn't been an announcement about a
>360 version of the game, even though a lot of
>people think it's only a matter of time. Even then,
>the PS3 version will still be a limited time exclusive.

True not officialy announced but word on the dev street is it'll be a
non-Kojima-port ,meaning a different development team. Possible
different story arc?
On the other hand,
I think Splinter Cell:Conviction is gonna be good,maybe great. I was
playing Double Agent last night and realized how good they did the
character animation and shading,its really quite artistic. Its been
awhile since I played DA I forgot how good the characters looked
,especially Sam Fisher.I wish Bioshock had more that 'real' human look
not cartooney like Bioshock or oversized arms like Gears.
Trying to get 100% stealth in DA is fun ,not just run and shoot, I love
games that require you too think more.

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TOPIC: free xbox 360's no joke
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/e4f13c113dc9039c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 5:47 pm
From: bonitoclarkito@gmail.com

On Oct 31, 6:12 pm, Doug Jacobs <djac...@shell.rawbw.com> wrote:
> Go DIAF, spammer.
>
> All those sites are the same old scam.
>
> --
> It's not broken. It's...advanced.

wow your obvioiuslty pretty stupid and closed minded

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TOPIC: COD4 PS3 Version Will Be Superior to Xbox
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/fcc5db383e9c7966?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 5:55 pm
From: "Rob"

"CellFish" <nomorespam@forme.com> wrote in message
news:4727e81d$0$30094$7836cce5@newsrazor.net...
> "Rob" <bucfan11@SPAMtampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:13ifpb6buiamgda@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "CellFish" <nomorespam@forme.com> wrote in message
>> news:4727dda7$0$30111$7836cce5@newsrazor.net...
>>> <alvinstraight38@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1193788187.023959.187670@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Things just keep getting better for PS3. Looks like Xbox owners get
>>>> to enjoy the inferior version of the most anticipated title this
>>>> season. It has been confirmed that the PS3 version will support 18
>>>> players vs Xbox's 16. The PS3 visuals are also said to at least match
>>>> and probably exceed Xbox's. Sucks to be a
>>>> Xbot! lol
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> * BREAKING NEWS * Microsoft has bowed out of the video games business
>>> and announced its bankruptcy because a third-party's game will not
>>> support two extra players.
>>>
>>> In other news, Linux now has 99% market share and American cars are
>>> praised for their reliability.
>> Actually, Ford has 3 vehicles listed on top for reliability.
>>
>
>
> That's the Volvo effect actually. Ever since Ford bought Volvo, Volvo cars
> have suddenly become more Ford-like (sudden ability to rust prematurely,
> more frequent visits to the mechanic) and Fords have become more
> Volvo-like (they actually work). Either way, I stand by my sarcastic
> comment.

And Toyota has dropped:

http://news.yahoo.com:80/s/nm/20071016/bs_nm/autos_reliability_dc_1;_ylt=AmlB6Mi_9bej3O8a2GWguXoE1vAI

The same study found gains for Ford Motor Co. (F.N), which landed three
models on the magazine's "most reliable" list.

Consumer Reports ranked the Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan and the automaker's
market-leading F-150 pickup truck with a V-6 engine as among the
most-reliable new vehicles on the market.

"Ford continues to improve," David Champion, director of auto testing for
Consumer Reports...

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 6:29 pm
From: KSDJ1@webtv.net (Private Private)

Please don't start the UT3 is exclusive thread..ugh..its not ,and the
jury is still out on COD4 having better graphics on the PS3
But if Haze and Uncharted play and look good I might have to pick a PS3
up,Ebgames has an 80g with Motorstorm and 5 Blu-Ray movies for $499,not
too shabby IMO

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TOPIC: PS3 sales triple in Europe and three times greater than xflop 3-shitty
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/0d585f063c01c8e4?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 5:59 pm
From: Blig Merk

The graph is from Nintendo and does show the Wii still outselling both
but it also shows PS3 sales in Europe have tripled in the past two
weeks and sales are triple of the xflop 3-shitty. The xflop 3-shitty
has already lost Japan and is now on the way to totally losing Europe.
It outsold the PS3 for the week of the Gheylo 3 launch but fell off a
cliff after that. That is with the Gheylo 3 launch representing 3
years of build-up with nothing else on the horizon even coming close
to the zombie hype train Micro$lut made out of that piece of total
crap. By the middle of next year, it will be obvious the xflop 3-
shitty had experienced total defeat in Europe. That will leave only
the North American market left and a console cannot survive, much less
win by maintaining a foothold in only 1/3 of the world market. Add
that to the fact the xflop 3-shitty is selling at a much lower rate
than the XFLop, with sales flattening, and it is obvious the xflop 3-
shitty is on its death march. And before the copycat xflop fanbitches
come back with their usual "I am rubber, you are glue" response for
the PS3 being in the same situation --- it isn't. PS3 sales are slow
but they are still increasing, not flatlining like the xflop 3-shitty.

http://www.irwebcasting.com/071026/30/b75ad2bf15/image/p39.gif

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 6:30 pm
From: Jonah Falcon

Poor Blig Merk.

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TOPIC: On the Concept of "Replayability" was Re: Ratchet and Clank back up
over 90%
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/c81f8b53e338c9a7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 6:54 pm
From: "Nick Soapdish, Jr."

On Oct 30, 8:36 pm, Tom <jimver...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 30, 8:03 pm, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 29, 10:35 pm, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:1193700099.988023.200810@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > What it needs isn't necessarily a "system seller", but more exclusive
> > > > games that are good, if not great. Pricing the first party games
> > > > competitively, like they used to do, would also help.
>
> > > True, but here's the issue to date. They have had exlcusives come out over
> > > the past 3 months, (I think) more than the 360, and a few are highly rated
> > > games. The issue is, there is enough hardware out for the software to sell
> > > very well, and that is just not happening. I wonder what the attach rate is
> > > right now for the PS3?
>
> > > For example, Heavenly Sword got pretty good scores, but has sold like crap.
> > > If the exclusives won't sell, people are not going to be compelled to buy
> > > more hardware, and hardware usually sells on word of mouth because of ther
> > > games. One issue I am seeing is that current Sony games are similar to PS2
> > > games, and it isn't translating into the world of online gaming which is at
> > > an alltime high, not only with PCs, but now with consoles. Now people want
> > > games that have online gaming/capabilities and multiplayer, not just games
> > > you pay in one mode and you are done with it; Sony is giving very little of
> > > that, if any at all. In fact, two friends of mine who were avid Sony fans
> > > made 360 purchases this year, my buddy next door, and a co-worker, they love
> > > the games and what they do, but they mainly like the exclusives that have MP
> > > mode and extra features.
>
> > > For me, I really won't get a game, unless it is an RPG (ala Oblivion) that
> > > keeps me interested for a long, that doesn't have online gaming modes; it is
> > > the reason I got into console gaming. How many times are people going to
> > > play HS, R&C, Folklore, Lair over and over again with getting the same
> > > ending and no MP mode. Do you see a great deal of replay value?. They may
> > > sell those games off causing a slight drop in real sales otherwise. Also
> > > look at the cross-platform games that were huge on the 360, that have been
> > > since released on the PS3, they have like a 1-10 sales ratio, and you'd
> > > think the PS3 owners would be buying these games to have something to play;
> > > something is happening, and it isn't game sales.
>
> > This isn't meant to be going off on you, Tom, so take it as it's
> > worth:
>
> > What the hell has the gaming world come to, where a game must have
> > online multiplayer to
> > be considered "replayable"?
>
> > When I was younger, the idea of "online gaming" was pretty much
> > unheard of, except at networks
> > in college and the government. Bionic Commando had no multiplayer-
> > that didn't keep me from replaying
> > it again and again, after winning it. Same with Super Mario Brothers
> > 3, Guerilla War, Revenge of Shinobi,
> > and on and on and on. Before that, I had no problem playing Commando
> > on my Commodore multiple times,
> > or Defender on my Atari 2600, despite the complete lack of
> > multiplayer. Games aren't just there to
> > "get to the ending"- it's the journey, not the destination.
>
> > Any game that is good enough on its own can be "replayable", barring
> > either serious pacing issues, a
> > poor setup, or genre limitations, which I see mostly affecting
> > survival horror games that rely more on
> > shocking the player as its source of entertainment. Mundane games
> > like Red Faction 2 or Project
> > Snowblind are no more replayable just because they have multiplayer.
> > And the big problem with games
> > that rely heavily on multiplayer is that they rely on the assumption
> > that everyone will love and continue to
> > play the game online forever and ever. Well, what happens if the game
> > flops, or if its popularity dies?
> > If the single player game is an afterthought, then that $60 feels
> > awfully wasted........
>
> > I certainly can understand the appeal of a multiplayer mode. But it
> > almost seems like reviewers place
> > an undue emphasis on the idea that multiplayer and replayability are
> > inseparable, Bioshock notwithstanding.
> > It feels kind of like laziness to me, as if it's a template statement
> > for reviewers who are more than
> > happy to go on cliche autopilot.
>
> > OK, rant over.........- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> But, this is what the world of gaming has come to, and we no longer
> have a choice that the interent is a huge and growing medium for
> gaming. I gave mostly what I say I like, and the reasons why I bought
> into the Xbox and the 360, because of online gaming. I didn't buy
> Bioshock because it didn't have MP or any extras so to speak. Games
> like Oblivion do appeal, because they have a lot of play time involved
> and can be played multiple ways; that was the point I was making
> really. These games for the PS3 are mimicking what PS2 games did,
> except many PS3 game exclusives are not including MP or anything else
> online, though it offers this on PSN.
>
> I am not knocking the PS3 games, but Sony has to appeal to the markets
> now, not just what I like or you like. Otherwise, what you say would
> have games selling of the shelves for the PS3. You do know that the
> past and current gens of console gaming is based and developed because
> of what games did online for the PC for years before, and it shows
> with the first Xbox and the 360.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Consider this, though- the original Xbox had a far superior online
component compared to the PS2,
yet it still came in second by a substantial margin. The Wii is
already ramping up console sales, despite
a weak online system. There is no doubt that an online component is a
consideration. But what you're
saying sort of misses my point- online multiplayer is not a necessity
for something to have "replay
value". As for PC online gaming dictating console gaming, I don't see
that, with the exception of
FPS games. Games like God of War and Grand Theft Auto 3 weren't
inspired by Quake, that's for
sure. And Halo, probably one of the most popular console FPS games,
diverged from PC FPS tradition
by having a fairly significant gameplay element that pulled out of the
first person view- vehicular combat.

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TOPIC: Ratchett and Clanks sells a whopping 97,000 copies in first week!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/e0c2b7ea4f8bca94?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 7:02 pm
From: evadnikufesin

elrous0@pop.uky.edu wrote:
> Wow, you PS3 fanboys must be proud.
>
> Hey, if it had sold another 20,000 it would have matched the sales
> numbers of the mega-hit "Ace Combat 6" on the 360.
>
> Your console is definitely on its way with powerhouses like this one.
> MS should be surrendering any day now.
>
> -Eric
>

Fuck off, bitch.

--
"We are living in a gelded age..." -Savage

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TOPIC: GH3 (PS3) has some problems
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/dc9c264b6cc61604?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 7:26 pm
From: "Big Daddy"

"Jordan" <lundj@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1193828735.523964.97680@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 30, 7:20 pm, Jonah Falcon <jonahny...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> http://xbox360.gamespy.com/xbox-360/guitar-hero-iii/831299p3.html
>
> The big problem I've heard on the PS3 side is note lag, but I don't
> know if it's a genuine problem with that version or if the people
> having it just never went into the calibration screen and fixed the
> HDTV lag.

I heard about note lag on the PS3 about 2 months before release (some
"blogger" played it at a trade show and reported it was a *serious* issue),
but I haven't heard anything about it since.

I have it on PS3 and haven't noticed any lag, though I'm new to the series.

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TOPIC: 34 songs in... taking a break...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/8a4efb492f500a80?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 7:53 pm
From: "Big Daddy"

"Private Private" <KSDJ1@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:22829-47276E6B-907@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net...
>Once you learn a few barr chords ,though, you can play about 90% of
>Metallica's basic riffs and Black Sabbath,Megadeth,Iron Maiden, Nirvana,
>I could go on for days, the list is LONG

Well first, barre chords are hard (takes a long time to even build up the
finger tolerance to play them), but second..even knowing them doesn't help
if you can't change them in rhythm, which takes months...if not years of
practice.

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TOPIC: Using a Wireless Router instead of the Xbox Branded one?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/080457b48604ccb8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 8:18 pm
From: Kat.Hayes@gmail.com

Is there anyway to connect a wireless router to a 360 so I can use the
360 wirelessly without having to purchase the Microsoft wireless
device?
If so, what should I look for in the router to see if it will be
compatible?

Thanks.

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TOPIC: Do any of the new 360s have the newer chip?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/9b47c09723720eca?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 8:21 pm
From: Kat.Hayes@gmail.com

Does the Arcade or any other 360 run cooler or have any performance
gains over the older ones?

Thanks.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 8:22 pm
From: Kat.Hayes@gmail.com

Does the Arcade or any other 360 run cooler or have any performance
gains over the older ones?

Thanks.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 8:39 pm
From: Holy Moses

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:21:02 -0700, Kat.Hayes@gmail.com wrote:

>Does the Arcade or any other 360 run cooler or have any performance
>gains over the older ones?
>
>Thanks.

No performance gains, just runs a little cooler if the new console you
purchase ends up having the new falcon mobo and the 65nm cpu on it.

Still, the overheating problem associated with the 360 is due to the
gpu in the console, not the cpu. And the gpu is still the older 90nm
fab and the new 65nm gpus won't be going into the 360's until about
this time next year.

Make sure your Lot# is 0734 or greater and has a later manufacturing
date of 08/24/07, as reported here,
http://forums.xbox.com/15804553/ShowPost.aspx.

I honestly doubt that the new heatsink, along with the new mobo and
the smaller fab 65nm cpu will significantly reduce the 360's RROD and
overheating related problems though. It's just woefully
underventilated in the first place. And they haven't dealt with the
biggest culprit of the RROD issue, the gpu.

But it still doesn't hurt to get your hands on the newer lots.

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TOPIC: 360 attach rate by far best of any console
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/b8beba77a9bb8e74?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 8:26 pm
From: "CellFish"

"Jonah Falcon" <jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:1193871233.606884.48530@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> Xbox 360: hardware to software ratio: 6.59 (hardware total sold = 6.8
> million; software total sold = 44.8 million)
>
> PlayStation 3: hardware to software ratio: 3.58 (hardware total sold =
> 1.9 million; software total sold = 6.8 million)
>
> Wii: hardware to software ratio: 3.44 (hardware total sold = 4.5
> million; software total sold = 15.5 million)
>
> http://www.joystiq.com/2007/10/31/360-leads-hardware-to-software-ratio-wii-and-ps3-trail-with-sim/
>

Proof, yet again, that the 360 has the greatest library of games this
generation.

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Today's topics:

* COD4 PS3 Version Will Be Superior to Xbox - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/fcc5db383e9c7966?hl=en
* Ratchet and Clank Attacks Xbox Weak Point for Massive Damage - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/c81f8b53e338c9a7?hl=en
* Ratchett and Clanks sells a whopping 97,000 copies in first week! - 14
messages, 8 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/e0c2b7ea4f8bca94?hl=en
* VF5 (360) IGN review: 9.0/10 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/15f399490702a51a?hl=en
* free xbox 360's no joke - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/e4f13c113dc9039c?hl=en
* 360 attach rate by far best of any console - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/b8beba77a9bb8e74?hl=en
* Ex Developer Says PS3 NOT as powerful as 360 - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/dbb509b694fd0a24?hl=en

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 1:46 pm
From: slayerman89@hotmail.com

On Oct 31, 1:28 pm, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 31, 2:02 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
>
> <alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 31, 8:33 am, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 30, 9:03 pm, "Rowdy J" <row...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > It's the most anticipated on the PS3 because it's just about all they
> > > > have that'll be any good this Xmas season.
>
> > > Hey, they have the great "Heavenly Sword" with its massive sales of
> > > 200,000 units.
>
> > Heavenly Sword was indeed great. Solid gameplay, amazing
> > presentation, good story. The game was extremely polished with no
> > glaring bugs or graphical glitches. The fact that it did not sell
> > millions does not effect the quality of the title.
>
> Hallelujah!
>
> I've had a few debates now about how the sales of a title has nothing
> to do with the quality.
>
> On the flipside, the fact that it got rated only in the 80s does
> reflect the quality of the title.

I'm enjoying myself. I'll throw it out there and say I'm equally as
entertained as I was by Halo 3.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 2:55 pm
From: "alvinstraight38@hotmail.com"

On Oct 31, 2:52 pm, jeremieba...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On Oct 31, 6:02 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
>
> <alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 31, 8:33 am, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 30, 9:03 pm, "Rowdy J" <row...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > It's the most anticipated on the PS3 because it's just about all they
> > > > have that'll be any good this Xmas season.
>
> > > Hey, they have the great "Heavenly Sword" with its massive sales of
> > > 200,000 units.
>
> > Heavenly Sword was indeed great. Solid gameplay, amazing
> > presentation, good story. The game was extremely polished with no
> > glaring bugs or graphical glitches. The fact that it did not sell
> > millions does not effect the quality of the title.
>
> It was shit.

Yea so was Halo 3. At HS offered something unique instead of the same
boring FPS Xbox turds.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 2:57 pm
From: "alvinstraight38@hotmail.com"

On Oct 31, 3:25 pm, Moriquendi <morique...@ns.hotmail.com> wrote:
> "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com" <alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:1193788187.023959.187670@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Things just keep getting better for PS3. Looks like Xbox owners get
> > to enjoy the inferior version of the most anticipated title this
> > season. It has been confirmed that the PS3 version will support 18
> > players vs Xbox's 16. The PS3 visuals are also said to at least match
> > and probably exceed Xbox's. Sucks to be a
> > Xbot! lol
>
> Wow! 2 more players in multiplayer and graphics that will "at least match
> and probably exceed" the 360 version! I really don;t know how I will
> survive such a humiliating defeat for the 360.
>
> --
> MQ

Just another chip away at Xbox's dominance. Of course, you also miss
the online goodness of Warhawk as well.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 4:21 pm
From: Doug Jacobs

boodybandit <allaboutgamez@comcast.net> wrote:
> It has always been my most anticipated "shooter" this year.
> I don't think there is a better shooter out or coming out any time soon.

UT3?
Haze? That's even an exclusive title for the PS3.

--
It's not broken. It's...advanced.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Ratchet and Clank Attacks Xbox Weak Point for Massive Damage
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/c81f8b53e338c9a7?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 1:47 pm
From: "Tom"

<slayerman89@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1193860275.303897.273610@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 29, 7:34 pm, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>> <slayerma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1193704206.539669.39870@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 25, 2:13 pm, Jonah Falcon <jonahny...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> >> On Oct 25, 4:49 pm, slayerma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >> > On Oct 25, 1:36 pm, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
>>
>> >> > > Yes, everyone is just going to forget that the 360 just had a game
>> >> > > that sold 3.3 million copies in 12 days and shattered every sales
>> >> > > record known to man.
>>
>> >> > Actually, Burning Crusade sold about 2.4 million the first day, and
>> >> > rose to almost 3.9 million within the month, so shattered isn't
>> >> > really
>> >> > the right word.
>>
>> >> And you think Halo 3 sales will suddenly stop?
>>
>> > Shattered is past tense and he said it sold 3.3 in twelve days. None
>> > of what we are talking about relates to the future. Nice try.
>>
>> But if you're going to use even a month as a measure as you did in your
>> previous to this post, then it could be considered shattered. On Halo3's
>> first day, it sold over 2.7mil copies (and I think that is just in the
>> US)
>> and now just over a month later, it is over 5.5 million worldwide. WoWBC
>> hasn't sold 5 million yet worldwide, and it was released last January.
>> But,
>> I read that WoWBC actually did sell 2.7million worldwide its first day,
>> not
>> 2.4, which is still impressive.
>
> I'm just pointing out that saying 'shattered every sales record known
> to man' is hyperbole.
>
>> But, if you consider the install base of PC gamers to 360 gamers, Halo 3
>> sales have shattered sales records, and PC games are much cheaper too.
>
> I can't imagine why you would think that.

Explain how a PC game, and you know the install base for (gaming) PCs far
outnumbers 360, wasn't shattered in sales numbers bu H3. I just showed where
both games sold about the same the first day. But Halo sold those numbers
just in the US. If you go to date, Halo 3 is almost @ 6 million total,
whereas WoWBC hasn't hit 5mil since being released last January. I'd say it
shattered it sales, if going by the numbers. How many Halo3 copies would
have sold had it been a worldwide launch like WoWBC?

This should expand further how to conpare Halo3 against BC, which according
Wiki, "It was released on January 17, 2007 in Canada, New Zealand, South
Africa, and Singapore; in total, approximately 3.1 million copies were sold
across these territories in the first month of release, including 1.5
million in North America and nearly 1.2 million in Europe.[4] It was later
released on February 1, 2007 in South Korea, April 30, 2007 in Taiwan, as
well as the regions of Hong Kong and Macau.[5][6] Availability in Chinese
will be announced in the near future."

BC had 3.1 million it's first month, yet Halo3 did over 3.3 million it's
first week, just in the US.

>
>> The WoW (released in 2004) was a bigger hit than BC by far, it has over 9
>> million.
>
> We are talking about sales records. WoW barely made a blip it's first
> month. BC set PC sales records and is the fastest selling PC game of
> all time. You can't say that WoW is a bigger hit than it's expansion
> because you have to buy WoW for BC to be any use.
>
>

Well, I would say it is a bigger hit for sales, as the numbers show that. Do
you think that BC will sell over 9 million? And, according to Wiki, "There
are more than 2 million players in North America, 1.5 million players in
Europe and 3.5 million players in China as of January, 2007 and as of
August, 2007; the game has over 8 million subscribers worldwide."

That is just for WoW and going still well into 2007.

== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 1:47 pm
From: elrous0@pop.uky.edu

Wow, you PS3 fanboys must be proud.

Hey, if it had sold another 20,000 it would have matched the sales
numbers of the mega-hit "Ace Combat 6" on the 360.

Your console is definitely on its way with powerhouses like this one.
MS should be surrendering any day now.

-Eric

== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 2:00 pm
From: "Tom"

<elrous0@pop.uky.edu> wrote in message
news:1193863670.520348.107980@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> Wow, you PS3 fanboys must be proud.
>
> Hey, if it had sold another 20,000 it would have matched the sales
> numbers of the mega-hit "Ace Combat 6" on the 360.
>
> Your console is definitely on its way with powerhouses like this one.
> MS should be surrendering any day now.
>
> -Eric
>

Hey fanbitch, since the 360 has well more than a 2-1 install base, R&C is
kicking its ass, I would be more disappointed that such a decently rated
game for your console god averaged less than a game that's for your despised
satanic console.

111,056 copies of AC sold for the 12.75mil 360s sold
97055 copies of R&C sold for 5.34mil PS3s sold

Let's see, Metacritic gives R&C a 9.0 and gives AC a 8.2, yet in both their
first weeks, AC only outsells R&C by 14,001 copies, woohoo, 360 fanbitches
should celebrate! AC outsells R&C by a 1.44/1 ratio, while the 360 has a
2.33/1 install base ratio.

== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 2:03 pm
From: "Tom"

"Tom" <noway@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:UY-dnYwkn4-WcLXanZ2dnUVZ_tOtnZ2d@insightbb.com...
>
> <elrous0@pop.uky.edu> wrote in message
> news:1193863670.520348.107980@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> Wow, you PS3 fanboys must be proud.
>>
>> Hey, if it had sold another 20,000 it would have matched the sales
>> numbers of the mega-hit "Ace Combat 6" on the 360.
>>
>> Your console is definitely on its way with powerhouses like this one.
>> MS should be surrendering any day now.
>>
>> -Eric
>>
>
> Hey fanbitch, since the 360 has well more than a 2-1 install base, R&C is
> kicking its ass, I would be more disappointed that such a decently rated
> game for your console god averaged less than a game that's for your
> despised satanic console.
>
> 111,056 copies of AC sold for the 12.75mil 360s sold
> 97055 copies of R&C sold for 5.34mil PS3s sold
>
> Let's see, Metacritic gives R&C a 9.0 and gives AC a 8.2, yet in both
> their first weeks, AC only outsells R&C by 14,001 copies, woohoo, 360
> fanbitches should celebrate! AC outsells R&C by a 1.44/1 ratio, while the
> 360 has a 2.33/1 install base ratio.

Actually I should apologize, AC *only* outsold R&C by a 1.14/1 ratio, not
1.44, Bwahahahahahahaha, let's celeabrate!

== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 2:09 pm
From: "boodybandit"

<elrous0@pop.uky.edu> wrote in message
news:1193863670.520348.107980@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> Wow, you PS3 fanboys must be proud.

Are you truly this fucking stupid in real life or do you just play a
dumbfuck fanboy troll on usenet only?

Ratchet and Clank offically launched today shot for brains.
Insomniac bumped it up a week because it was finished early. Just check your
local flyers and you will see it's advertised to be released 11/31 by 2pm.
Besides, why do you give a shit what the PS3 does regardless? You pathetic
fanbabies need to grow up an quit worshiping a piece of plastic.

== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 2:23 pm
From: The King of Gaming

On Oct 31, 3:47 pm, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
> Wow, you PS3 fanboys must be proud.
>
> Hey, if it had sold another 20,000 it would have matched the sales
> numbers of the mega-hit "Ace Combat 6" on the 360.
>
> Your console is definitely on its way with powerhouses like this one.
> MS should be surrendering any day now.
>
> -Eric

How many 360s are out there compared to PS3's again, Xbot loser? How
much longer has the 360 been out than the PS3 again, idiot? It's
amazing how many Xbots live in the fantasy world...

Assume the position, idiot. And get back down on your knees...

== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 2:29 pm
From: "boodybandit"

"Tom" <noway@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:H9GdnUnvF8k2cLXanZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@insightbb.com...
>
> "Tom" <noway@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:UY-dnYwkn4-WcLXanZ2dnUVZ_tOtnZ2d@insightbb.com...
>>
>> <elrous0@pop.uky.edu> wrote in message
>> news:1193863670.520348.107980@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> Wow, you PS3 fanboys must be proud.
>>>
>>> Hey, if it had sold another 20,000 it would have matched the sales
>>> numbers of the mega-hit "Ace Combat 6" on the 360.
>>>
>>> Your console is definitely on its way with powerhouses like this one.
>>> MS should be surrendering any day now.
>>>
>>> -Eric
>>>
>>
>> Hey fanbitch, since the 360 has well more than a 2-1 install base, R&C is
>> kicking its ass, I would be more disappointed that such a decently rated
>> game for your console god averaged less than a game that's for your
>> despised satanic console.
>>
>> 111,056 copies of AC sold for the 12.75mil 360s sold
>> 97055 copies of R&C sold for 5.34mil PS3s sold
>>
>> Let's see, Metacritic gives R&C a 9.0 and gives AC a 8.2, yet in both
>> their first weeks, AC only outsells R&C by 14,001 copies, woohoo, 360
>> fanbitches should celebrate! AC outsells R&C by a 1.44/1 ratio, while the
>> 360 has a 2.33/1 install base ratio.
>
> Actually I should apologize, AC *only* outsold R&C by a 1.14/1 ratio, not
> 1.44, Bwahahahahahahaha, let's celeabrate!

Considering R&C officially was suppose to launch today
http://bestbuy.shoplocal.com/bestbuy/default.aspx?action=detail&flashbrowse=y&storeid=2564705&rapid=470478&pagenumber=3&listingid=-2092528507&ref=%2fbestbuy%2fdefault.aspx%3faction%3dbrowsepageflash%26storeid%3d2564705%26pagenumber%3d3%26rapid%3d470478%26prvid%3d102807BA
I think it's doing pretty good.

== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 2:47 pm
From: slayerman89@hotmail.com

On Oct 31, 2:29 pm, "boodybandit" <allaboutga...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote in message
>
> news:H9GdnUnvF8k2cLXanZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@insightbb.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote in message
> >news:UY-dnYwkn4-WcLXanZ2dnUVZ_tOtnZ2d@insightbb.com...
>
> >> <elro...@pop.uky.edu> wrote in message
> >>news:1193863670.520348.107980@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >>> Wow, you PS3 fanboys must be proud.
>
> >>> Hey, if it had sold another 20,000 it would have matched the sales
> >>> numbers of the mega-hit "Ace Combat 6" on the 360.
>
> >>> Your console is definitely on its way with powerhouses like this one.
> >>> MS should be surrendering any day now.
>
> >>> -Eric
>
> >> Hey fanbitch, since the 360 has well more than a 2-1 install base, R&C is
> >> kicking its ass, I would be more disappointed that such a decently rated
> >> game for your console god averaged less than a game that's for your
> >> despised satanic console.
>
> >> 111,056 copies of AC sold for the 12.75mil 360s sold
> >> 97055 copies of R&C sold for 5.34mil PS3s sold
>
> >> Let's see, Metacritic gives R&C a 9.0 and gives AC a 8.2, yet in both
> >> their first weeks, AC only outsells R&C by 14,001 copies, woohoo, 360
> >> fanbitches should celebrate! AC outsells R&C by a 1.44/1 ratio, while the
> >> 360 has a 2.33/1 install base ratio.
>
> > Actually I should apologize, AC *only* outsold R&C by a 1.14/1 ratio, not
> > 1.44, Bwahahahahahahaha, let's celeabrate!
>
> Considering R&C officially was suppose to launch todayhttp://bestbuy.shoplocal.com/bestbuy/default.aspx?action=detail&flash...
> I think it's doing pretty good.

Yea I was wondering what was going on when I saw an ad on TV that said
R&C was coming out on the 31st, when I had just picked up two copies
at Gamestop on the 27th.

== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 2:54 pm
From: "alvinstraight38@hotmail.com"

Who gives a crap about sales records? The fact remains that Ratchet
is a AAA title, and blowns the claim that Ps3 has NO good exclusives
out of the water. Pathetic that you losers have to desperately find
some way to trash all PS3 titles. Last time I checked, Warhawk,
Heavenly Sword, Folklore, and Eye of Judgement all received great
reviews. Xbots will realy be sobbing when the greatness of Uncharted
comes out in a month.

== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 2:56 pm
From: Paul Heslop

elrous0@pop.uky.edu wrote:
>
> Wow, you PS3 fanboys must be proud.
>
> Hey, if it had sold another 20,000 it would have matched the sales
> numbers of the mega-hit "Ace Combat 6" on the 360.
>
> Your console is definitely on its way with powerhouses like this one.
> MS should be surrendering any day now.
>
> -Eric

What makes me laugh is that you call other people fanboys but you're
the one posting stuff insulting a console... and I'm assuming that
makes you an xbox fanny with the xbox group in the headers.

--
Paul (We won't die of devotion)
-------------------------------------------------------
Stop and Look

http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/

== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 3:11 pm
From: Paul Heslop

Paul Heslop wrote:
"I'm assuming that makes you an xbox fanny"

oops, freudian slip there :O))

--
Paul (We won't die of devotion)
-------------------------------------------------------
Stop and Look

http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/

== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 3:54 pm
From: Jonah Falcon

On Oct 31, 5:00 pm, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
> <elro...@pop.uky.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:1193863670.520348.107980@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Wow, you PS3 fanboys must be proud.
>
> > Hey, if it had sold another 20,000 it would have matched the sales
> > numbers of the mega-hit "Ace Combat 6" on the 360.
>
> > Your console is definitely on its way with powerhouses like this one.
> > MS should be surrendering any day now.
>
> > -Eric
>
> Hey fanbitch, since the 360 has well more than a 2-1 install base, R&C is
> kicking its ass, I would be more disappointed that such a decently rated
> game for your console god averaged less than a game that's for your despised
> satanic console.
>
> 111,056 copies of AC sold for the 12.75mil 360s sold
> 97055 copies of R&C sold for 5.34mil PS3s sold
>
> Let's see, Metacritic gives R&C a 9.0 and gives AC a 8.2, yet in both their
> first weeks, AC only outsells R&C by 14,001 copies, woohoo, 360 fanbitches
> should celebrate! AC outsells R&C by a 1.44/1 ratio, while the 360 has a
> 2.33/1 install base ratio.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/10/31/360-leads-hardware-to-software-ratio-wii-and-ps3-trail-with-sim/

The attach rate is almost twice as much.

== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 3:55 pm
From: Jonah Falcon

On Oct 31, 5:09 pm, "boodybandit" <allaboutga...@comcast.net> wrote:
> <elro...@pop.uky.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:1193863670.520348.107980@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Wow, you PS3 fanboys must be proud.
>
> Are you truly this fucking stupid in real life or do you just play a
> dumbfuck fanboy troll on usenet only?
>
> Ratchet and Clank offically launched today shot for brains.
> Insomniac bumped it up a week because it was finished early. Just check your
> local flyers and you will see it's advertised to be released 11/31 by 2pm.
> Besides, why do you give a shit what the PS3 does regardless? You pathetic
> fanbabies need to grow up an quit worshiping a piece of plastic.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/10/31/360-leads-hardware-to-software-ratio-wii-and-ps3-trail-with-sim/

== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 4:00 pm
From: "boodybandit"

"Jonah Falcon" <jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:1193871357.030831.7670@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

Sorry dipshit.
I make it a point to never open anything you post.
I trust you about as much as I do our government

== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 4:04 pm
From: "boodybandit"

"Jonah Falcon" <jonahnynla@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:1193871280.428659.309790@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 31, 5:00 pm, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>> <elro...@pop.uky.edu> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1193863670.520348.107980@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Wow, you PS3 fanboys must be proud.
>>
>> > Hey, if it had sold another 20,000 it would have matched the sales
>> > numbers of the mega-hit "Ace Combat 6" on the 360.
>>
>> > Your console is definitely on its way with powerhouses like this one.
>> > MS should be surrendering any day now.
>>
>> > -Eric
>>
>> Hey fanbitch, since the 360 has well more than a 2-1 install base, R&C is
>> kicking its ass, I would be more disappointed that such a decently rated
>> game for your console god averaged less than a game that's for your
>> despised
>> satanic console.
>>
>> 111,056 copies of AC sold for the 12.75mil 360s sold
>> 97055 copies of R&C sold for 5.34mil PS3s sold
>>
>> Let's see, Metacritic gives R&C a 9.0 and gives AC a 8.2, yet in both
>> their
>> first weeks, AC only outsells R&C by 14,001 copies, woohoo, 360
>> fanbitches
>> should celebrate! AC outsells R&C by a 1.44/1 ratio, while the 360 has a
>> 2.33/1 install base ratio.
>
> http://www.joystiq.com/2007/10/31/360-leads-hardware-to-software-ratio-wii-and-ps3-trail-with-sim/
>
> The attach rate is almost twice as much.

What does have anything to do with R&C sales vs AC sales?
Nothing?
Thought so.
You and the other trolls and fanboys online are among the dumbest people I
have ever run across in my entire life. There are so many freaking variables
you insecure morons don't take into account when you throw out pathetic
statistics it boggles my mind. I serious can't believe this is what society
has sunk to with idiots arguing over an entertainment console. You have some
serious issues that you really need to address. Gaming consoles should be
the least of your worries.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: VF5 (360) IGN review: 9.0/10
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/15f399490702a51a?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 3:20 pm
From: Jonah Falcon

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/831/831623p1.html

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 3:25 pm
From: bonitoclarkito@gmail.com

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need 10 refferals.

If you dont believe me watch this video.
http://uncutvideo.aol.com/videos/8936789b5d3ffeedefd03b82ff3e54b0?index=0
Watch the middle part!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 4:12 pm
From: Doug Jacobs

Go DIAF, spammer.

All those sites are the same old scam.

--
It's not broken. It's...advanced.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 3:53 pm
From: Jonah Falcon

Xbox 360: hardware to software ratio: 6.59 (hardware total sold = 6.8
million; software total sold = 44.8 million)

PlayStation 3: hardware to software ratio: 3.58 (hardware total sold =
1.9 million; software total sold = 6.8 million)

Wii: hardware to software ratio: 3.44 (hardware total sold = 4.5
million; software total sold = 15.5 million)

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/10/31/360-leads-hardware-to-software-ratio-wii-and-ps3-trail-with-sim/

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 4:09 pm
From: Doug Jacobs

In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 The King of Gaming <king.of.gaming@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Wow, it's the Doug Jacobs Troll, who has no real intention of owning
> *any* next gen console anytime soon, complaining about the PS3 again.
> Who'da thunk it?

Yeah, I'm a troll because I happen to think HOME is a stupid idea.

> Can we at least wait untill it comes out and see how it is?

Based on Sony's demos and press releases about HOME, I fail to see how
it's a good idea.

1: As Sony's answer to XBox Live, it's a failure as not all games - by
Sony's design - have to use HOME. This results in a rather fragmented
online experience like the PS2 had, and makes some of the strongest
features of XBox Live impossible to truely recreate on the PS3.

This isn't the PS2 we're talking about here, where Sony got blindsided by
Microsoft for not having a solid networking/multiplayer plan in place.
Sony has had years to analyze what Microsoft has done and prepare for the
launch of the PS3. Yet, even after delaying the PS3 for 6 months, there
was no network. Several PS3 games had to drop(!) their online component
altogether because the developers couldn't afford to wait for Sony to make
up their mind.

And now, you're telling me that ~18 months into the PS3's life, we might
possibly, finally, have something that *SHOULD* have been ready well in
advance of the PS3's launch 2 years ago? Think about it. Microsoft
already had its plans for the 360's online service - including
Achievements and everything else - already defined and working about a
year before the 360 came out. This gave developers ample time to
integrate Live with their launch titles.

2: If Sony expects me to spend serious time walking around this virtual
world of theirs - which is totally free - how exactly am I generating any
revenue for Sony? Since Sony's network is free, me hanging out on HOME
all the time means I'm not buying games or movies. In fact, hanging out
online means I'm *costing* Sony money. Yes, I know, Sony talked about
having ads on HOME. However Sony is deluding themselves if they seriously
think that ad-revenue is going to be enough to support the networking
infrastructure needed for millions of online loafers. Furthermore, if
HOME gets overridden with ads, is anyone really going to want to use it?

At least if I'm playing an online game against someone on Live, I've
already given Microsoft $50. Most of that will be going towards
maintaining Live itself. I doubt Microsoft makes that much profit from
that.

3: Trophies. In my virtual apartment. Do I really need to explain why this
is perhaps the lamest idea I've ever heard?

4: Walking around the virtual world to go to the virtual store to buy my
downloads. Yeah, OK, that might be cute once or twice, but really? Just
give me a menu. I don't want to have to make my avatar interact with some
virtual store avatar just to download a movie trailer or a game. Is Sony
really thinking that people bought a PS3 just to pretend to be a virtual
person buying movies in a virtual store?

Home could have had some great potential - such as allowing people to
customize their avatars with items from games they've played, and then
take those avatars into whatever game you want. Why not, eh? That would
be truly impressive. Sony could even charge for accessories for your
avatar to wear. At least that would make more sense than buying a stupid
virtual couch object for your stupid virtual apartment that NO ONE ELSE
WANTS TO SEE.

With people complaining that Sony's network is already pretty slow, can
you imagine what HOME will be like with all those users on it, not to
mention all the animated/video ads. Yeah, that's just what *I* want - a
slower, lamer version of Second Life that costs $400.

--
It's not broken. It's...advanced.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 4:20 pm
From: slayerman89@hotmail.com

On Oct 31, 4:09 pm, Doug Jacobs <djac...@shell.rawbw.com> wrote:

> 4: Walking around the virtual world to go to the virtual store to buy my
> downloads. Yeah, OK, that might be cute once or twice, but really? Just
> give me a menu. I don't want to have to make my avatar interact with some
> virtual store avatar just to download a movie trailer or a game. Is Sony
> really thinking that people bought a PS3 just to pretend to be a virtual
> person buying movies in a virtual store?

God that be stupid.

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Today's topics:

* Why Uncharted can only be on PS3 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/c8045f7b835600cd?hl=en
* COD4 PS3 Version Will Be Superior to Xbox - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/fcc5db383e9c7966?hl=en
* WTF??? PS3 version of PES 2008 has worse framerate drops/slow-downs than the
360?? - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/d16e71798df5a48d?hl=en
* GH3 downloadable content - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/0114a0d7a091cdb5?hl=en
* Are this sales number real? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/efde38777b218ee6?hl=en
* need a ps3 to play all those wicked games? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/a7b35975b4b6ac69?hl=en
* what games - 6 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/e260f7900480f15c?hl=en
* want a ps3? =P - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/ce14cd5132ea8836?hl=en
* Ratchet and Clank Attacks Xbox Weak Point for Massive Damage - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/c81f8b53e338c9a7?hl=en
* Ex Developer Says PS3 NOT as powerful as 360 - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/dbb509b694fd0a24?hl=en
* Big 360 week this week - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/8505fc68a8cd575b?hl=en
* GH3 (PS3) has some problems - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/dc9c264b6cc61604?hl=en
* Metal Gear Solid 4 delayed further... again - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/67e3fc0a0644ef8e?hl=en

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TOPIC: Why Uncharted can only be on PS3
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/c8045f7b835600cd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 10:54 am
From: "boodybandit"

"Captain Jack Harkness" < captainjack@torchwood.gov> wrote in message
news:bpadnRHyBZlOprXanZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Maybe you just lost the chart.

Hey Capt Loser Troll.
If you are going to spam all of usenet with an article that was originally
posted to the proper group ( alt.games.video.sony-playstation3 ) at least
post the original message with the link that was provided dumbass.

*******************************************

Going by this, the game needs Blu-Ray

http://ps3.qj.net/Unchartered-Drake-s-Fortune-why-it-s-only-possible-on-the-PlayStation-3/pg/49/aid/106419

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TOPIC: COD4 PS3 Version Will Be Superior to Xbox
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/fcc5db383e9c7966?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 11:02 am
From: "alvinstraight38@hotmail.com"

On Oct 31, 8:33 am, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
> On Oct 30, 9:03 pm, "Rowdy J" <row...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >    It's the most anticipated on the PS3 because it's just about all they
> > have that'll be any good this Xmas season.
>
> Hey, they have the great "Heavenly Sword" with its massive sales of
> 200,000 units.

Heavenly Sword was indeed great.  Solid gameplay, amazing
presentation, good story.  The game was extremely polished with no
glaring bugs or graphical glitches.   The fact that it did not sell
millions does not effect the quality of the title.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 12:52 pm
From: jeremiebanks@yahoo.co.uk

On Oct 31, 6:02 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com "
<alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 31, 8:33 am, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
>
> > On Oct 30, 9:03 pm, "Rowdy J" < row...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > >    It's the most anticipated on the PS3 because it's just about all they
> > > have that'll be any good this Xmas season.
>
> > Hey, they have the great "Heavenly Sword" with its massive sales of
> > 200,000 units.
>
> Heavenly Sword was indeed great.  Solid gameplay, amazing
> presentation, good story.  The game was extremely polished with no
> glaring bugs or graphical glitches.   The fact that it did not sell
> millions does not effect the quality of the title.

It was shit.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 1:25 pm
From: Moriquendi

" alvinstraight38@hotmail.com" <alvinstraight38@hotmail.com> wrote in
news: 1193788187.023959.187670@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:

> Things just keep getting better for PS3.  Looks like Xbox owners get
> to enjoy the inferior version of the most anticipated title this
> season.  It has been confirmed that the PS3 version will support 18
> players vs Xbox's 16.  The PS3 visuals are also said to at least match
> and probably exceed Xbox's.  Sucks to be a
>  Xbot! lol
>

Wow!  2 more players in multiplayer and graphics that will "at least match
and probably exceed" the 360 version!  I really don;t know how I will
survive such a humiliating defeat for the 360.

--
MQ

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 1:28 pm
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Oct 31, 2:02 pm, "alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com"
< alvinstraigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 31, 8:33 am, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
>
> > On Oct 30, 9:03 pm, "Rowdy J" < row...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > >    It's the most anticipated on the PS3 because it's just about all they
> > > have that'll be any good this Xmas season.
>
> > Hey, they have the great "Heavenly Sword" with its massive sales of
> > 200,000 units.
>
> Heavenly Sword was indeed great.  Solid gameplay, amazing
> presentation, good story.  The game was extremely polished with no
> glaring bugs or graphical glitches.   The fact that it did not sell
> millions does not effect the quality of the title.

Hallelujah!

I've had a few debates now about how the sales of a title has nothing
to do with the quality.

On the flipside, the fact that it got rated only in the 80s does
reflect the quality of the title.

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TOPIC: WTF??? PS3 version of PES 2008 has worse framerate drops/slow-downs
than the 360??
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/d16e71798df5a48d?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 11:27 am
From: Mark Johnson

Mark Johnson wrote:
> AirRaid wrote:
>> On Oct 25, 9:39 pm, Holy Moses < H...@Moses.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:30:03 -0600, Holy Moses <H...@Moses.com > wrote:
>>>> One of the reasons I had purchased the PS3 was for the PES franchise.
>>>> Started out playing the franchise on my PS2, and it's absolutely one
>>>> of my games year in year out.
>>>> But just WTF is this???  How can the PS3, with its superior hardware
>>>> and processing power, have a worse slow-down than the 360 during
>>>> gameplay???
>>>> Where am I getting this from?  From the lead developer of the game
>>>> himself, Seabass.
>>>> IGN: In the PS3 version we've played we noticed some slow-down in the
>>>> game, plus the crowd and stadiums aren't as polished as some of the
>>>> on-pitch features. Will you look to rectify this in the next game?
>>>> Seabass: Of course. To be honest I don't think the slow-down is that
>>>> bad compared to the 360 and as I said, we don't create just a PS3
>>>> game, we created both together. But when we compared them directly we
>>>> were shocked because the PS3 has a little bit more slowdown and we
>>>> don't really know why.
>>>> http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/827/827315p1.html?RSSwhen2007-10-15_07. ..
>>>>
>>>> I also read at a couple of European gaming forums that the 360 version
>>>> of the game has better graphics too both during the cutscenes and the
>>>> gameplay.  The game's already released in the stores over there.
>>>> I'll be taking delivery of C&R when it gets released in here Canada.
>>>> But if this game doesn't impress me, and I never was much of a fan
>>>> with cartoonish looking games, so it'd better have some really cool
>>>> gameplay experience, then I'm seriously going to conside selling my
>>>> PS3 altogether.
>>>> This is total bullshit.  I've had this console since the launch and
>>>> this is rather pathetic.
>>> Oh, and here's a gaming site review thrashing the slow-downs in the
>>> PS3 version of the game.
>>> Bah.http://www.pro- g.co.uk/ps3/pes7/review.html
>>>
>>> I bought the PS3 not just for the exclusives I was hoping it will have
>>> down the line, but also thinking that even with games which are
>>> released for both the 360 and the PS3, the PS3 will definitely have
>>> better looking graphics and better gameplay experience overall.
>>>
>>> How wrong was I on that?  Look at Madden 08.  The other of my
>>> favourite game franchises and I ended up getting it for my 360.
>>> Crikey.
>>>
>>> Better hardware and infinitely more powerful processing power doesn't
>>> mean shit when the game developers aren't going to make the PS3
>>> version that much better than the 360.
>>
>>
>>
>> better hardware? LOL  infinitely more processing power?  LOL.
>>
>> PS3 has LESS  graphics rendering/framebuffer bandwidth than Xbox 360
>>  22.4 GB/s   vs  256 GB/s
>>
>> PS3 has LESS pixel fillrate than Xbox 360 when anti-aliasing is used
>> 2 Gpixels/s  vs  4 Gpixels/s
>>
>> PS3 has LESS triangle setup/ polygon drawing performance than Xbox 360
>> 250M polys/s vs 500M polys/s
>>
>> PS3's biggest advantage in processing power over Xbox 360
>> is CELL's floating point performance compared to that of Xenon.
>> 218 GFLOPS  vs  116 GFLOPs
>>
>> but that does NOT help with GRAPHICS and FRAMERATE - Xbox 360 usually
>> has the advantage,
>>
>> Finally, stop being a fucking prick acting like PS3 is superior and
>> then being surprised when the Xbox 360 versions of certain games run
>> smoother and/or look better.
>>
>
> Get it right for once, the Dev's are now using the cell for some of the
> graphics now.
>
> Yes the 360 GPU is far greater than the PS3 GPU, well all know that,
> thats why the ports in the past have been bad, because the Dev's took
> the easy option and programmed using the PS3 GPU only. When the Dev's
> program properly on the PS3 using not only the GPU but the Cell also for
> the graphics they are getting fantastic results. Take a look at Haze,
> COD4, Uncharted and R&C, bloody great stuff

To back up what I said:

"The PlayStation 3 has a lot of power. When we started Uncharted we were
really ambitious and had no idea what the PS3 would give us. Once we got
the first devkits, we realized quickly that we could do everything we
had planned to. The three main points for me are the Cell, Blu-Ray and
the hard drive. We've been using the Cell for pretty much all our
systems: rendering, particles, physics simulation, collision detection,
animation, AI, decompression, water simulation, etc ... and to give you an
idea of the power of the PS3, we're using only 30 percent of the Cell
processor"

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 11:42 am
From: Holy Moses

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:32:03 GMT, John Adams <me@none.invalid> wrote:

>Holy Moses wrote:
>
>> You probably don't even have both NHL08 and NHL2K8 either.  You just
>> heard from others that NHL2K8 this year is better, so that's what
>> you're sticking to.  You have the demos for both though, right?  LOL!
>
>http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1235705

OMG, you're kidding me, right?  So, some guys claiming something on
the internet becomes a fact?  This is pathetic.

And look at when this thread was started, just a couple of days ago.
Wow, how convenient.  And this guy's not even talking about how he
hasn't even played the full retail version of PES 2008 and how he
prefers FIFA08 over it.  Just like you.

So, I assume you're milkweg then?  LOL.

Oh, and how does this prove that you have both NHL08 & NHL2K8 and not
just the demos?

The second you started backtracking and changing your stories made you
become a lame retard.

My original thread dealt with the differences between PES 2008 on the
360 and the PS3.

You, OTOH, lied that you played both FIFA08 and the PES 2008, then
turns out you only played the demo for PES 2008.  Then you claimed
ownership of football just because you're English, then you claimed
ownership on hockey all of a sudden just because you lived in Canada.

Then you kept on bringing in completely irrelevant issues like NHL08 &
NHL2K8.  Keep going, let's see where you take this to.  Probably about
how Resistance is a better game than GoW.  LOL.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 11:46 am
From: Holy Moses

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:14:29 -0700, AirRaid <AirRaidJet@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Oct 25, 9:39 pm, Holy Moses < H...@Moses.com > wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:30:03 -0600, Holy Moses < H...@Moses.com> wrote:
>> >One of the reasons I had purchased the PS3 was for the PES franchise.
>> >Started out playing the franchise on my PS2, and it's absolutely one
>> >of my games year in year out.
>>
>> >But just WTF is this???  How can the PS3, with its superior hardware
>> >and processing power, have a worse slow-down than the 360 during
>> >gameplay???
>>
>> >Where am I getting this from?  From the lead developer of the game
>> >himself, Seabass.
>>
>> >IGN: In the PS3 version we've played we noticed some slow-down in the
>> >game, plus the crowd and stadiums aren't as polished as some of the
>> >on-pitch features. Will you look to rectify this in the next game?
>>
>> >Seabass: Of course. To be honest I don't think the slow-down is that
>> >bad compared to the 360 and as I said, we don't create just a PS3
>> >game, we created both together. But when we compared them directly we
>> >were shocked because the PS3 has a little bit more slowdown and we
>> >don't really know why.
>>
>> > http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/827/827315p1.html?RSSwhen2007-10-15_07. ..
>>
>> >I also read at a couple of European gaming forums that the 360 version
>> >of the game has better graphics too both during the cutscenes and the
>> >gameplay.  The game's already released in the stores over there.
>>
>> >I'll be taking delivery of C&R when it gets released in here Canada.
>> >But if this game doesn't impress me, and I never was much of a fan
>> >with cartoonish looking games, so it'd better have some really cool
>> >gameplay experience, then I'm seriously going to conside selling my
>> >PS3 altogether.
>>
>> >This is total bullshit.  I've had this console since the launch and
>> >this is rather pathetic.
>>
>> Oh, and here's a gaming site review thrashing the slow-downs in the
>> PS3 version of the game.  Bah.http://www.pro- g.co.uk/ps3/pes7/review.html
>>
>> I bought the PS3 not just for the exclusives I was hoping it will have
>> down the line, but also thinking that even with games which are
>> released for both the 360 and the PS3, the PS3 will definitely have
>> better looking graphics and better gameplay experience overall.
>>
>> How wrong was I on that?  Look at Madden 08.  The other of my
>> favourite game franchises and I ended up getting it for my 360.
>> Crikey.
>>
>> Better hardware and infinitely more powerful processing power doesn't
>> mean shit when the game developers aren't going to make the PS3
>> version that much better than the 360.
>
>better hardware? LOL  infinitely more processing power?  LOL.
>
>PS3 has LESS  graphics rendering/framebuffer bandwidth than Xbox 360
> 22.4 GB/s   vs  256 GB/s
>
>PS3 has LESS pixel fillrate than Xbox 360 when anti-aliasing is used
>2 Gpixels/s  vs  4 Gpixels/s
>
>PS3 has LESS triangle setup/ polygon drawing performance than Xbox 360
>250M polys/s vs 500M polys/s
>
>PS3's biggest advantage in processing power over Xbox 360
>is CELL's floating point performance compared to that of Xenon.
>218 GFLOPS  vs  116 GFLOPs
>
>but that does NOT help with GRAPHICS and FRAMERATE - Xbox 360 usually
>has the advantage,
>
>Finally, stop being a fucking prick acting like PS3 is superior and
>then being surprised when the Xbox 360 versions of certain games run
>smoother and/or look better.

What a fucking retard.  All those numbers don't mean shit, you stupid
cunt.  Stop fucking googling up numbers and act like a fucking prick
like you know what the fuck you're talking about, you dumb piece of
shit.

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TOPIC: GH3 downloadable content
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/0114a0d7a091cdb5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 11:46 am
From: Mitch@...

So if you bought the soundtrack (which I didn't) you can go input a
code and get some songs to download.

Anyone know if the songs can be purchased as well?  If so, how much do
they cost?

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TOPIC: Are this sales number real?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/efde38777b218ee6?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 12:35 pm
From: "Tom"

"The alMIGHTY N" < natlee75@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193835395.104547.272080@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 31, 5:41 am, Tom < jimver...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I know last week someone posted that MS profits were up 23% (or
>> something like that, but it really only talked about revenue and
>> earnings which were pretty big numbers. But I just read an article
>> where it states that MS says how many consoles it sold (as well as
>> profits) for the 1st quarter ending September 30. Am I reading this
>> wrong, because if this number is real, that would put 360 sales way
>> over 13 million worldwide, almost 14mil and this was done in just the
>> US (I'll change the specific sentence I saw to caps)?
>
> The link I posted would imply that Microsoft is full of shit with its
> numbers. According to NPD, U.S. sales of consoles in September totaled
> 528,000 and were a 50% increase from the previous month (which means
> the August console sales would be around 352,000. No way they sold
> almost a million Xbox 360s in July...
>

I wonder if they meant worldwide, but that would even be a stretch itself.
If you go just by MN's numbers, those are all just US figures.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 1:35 pm
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Oct 31, 9:40 am, "CellFish" < nomores...@forme.com> wrote:
> "The alMIGHTY N" <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews: 1193835395.104547.272080@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 31, 5:41 am, Tom < jimver...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> I know last week someone posted that MS profits were up 23% (or
> >> something like that, but it really only talked about revenue and
> >> earnings which were pretty big numbers. But I just read an article
> >> where it states that MS says how many consoles it sold (as well as
> >> profits) for the 1st quarter ending September 30. Am I reading this
> >> wrong, because if this number is real, that would put 360 sales way
> >> over 13 million worldwide, almost 14mil and this was done in just the
> >> US (I'll change the specific sentence I saw to caps)?
>
> > The link I posted would imply that Microsoft is full of shit with its
> > numbers. According to NPD, U.S. sales of consoles in September totaled
> > 528,000 and were a 50% increase from the previous month (which means
> > the August console sales would be around 352,000. No way they sold
> > almost a million Xbox 360s in July...
>
> All we know for sure is that in terms of next-gen systems (ones that can
> actually do 720p at the very least), 360 is in the lead.

The Xbox 360 is in the lead, but the Wii is almost caught up despite
the Xbox 360's year-plus headstart.

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TOPIC: need a ps3 to play all those wicked games?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/a7b35975b4b6ac69?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 12:40 pm
From: Ryan.Betancourt@gmail.com

hey guys i found a website exactly 22 days ago that claims that it
gives out free xbox 360 elites, so i was like "ehhh its a scam", but i
thought "what do i have to lose?" so i tried it and yesterday an xbox
360 elite showed up at my door step, so now im trying a diff website
from the same company that gives out free ps3's . so here is a blog
that i made with instructions on how to get a ps3 and a pic of my xbox
just incase you think im lyin , so check it out!

http://sonyps3forfree.blogspot.com/

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TOPIC: what games
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/e260f7900480f15c?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 12:45 pm
From: "barry makepeace"

I have a 10 yrs old grandson who is getting a premier x box for xmas. Can
anyone suggest some good games for it.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 1:00 pm
From: "boodybandit"

"barry makepeace" < barry.makepeace@ntlworld.com > wrote in message
news:xX4Wi.1068$ib1.288@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
>I have a 10 yrs old grandson who is getting a premier x box for xmas. Can
>anyone suggest some good games for it.

Kameo

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 1:05 pm
From: NiGHTS

barry makepeace wrote:
> I have a 10 yrs old grandson who is getting a premier x box for xmas. Can
> anyone suggest some good games for it.
>
>

Kengo: Legend of the 9
Pimp My Ride
Vampire Rain
Hour of Victory
Bomberman: Act Zero
Eragon

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== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 1:21 pm
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Oct 31, 4:05 pm, NiGHTS <nightsintodreamsYOHOL...@blueyonder.co.uk >
wrote:
> barry makepeace wrote:
> > I have a 10 yrs old grandson who is getting a premier x box for xmas. Can
> > anyone suggest some good games for it.
>
> Kengo: Legend of the 9
> Pimp My Ride
> Vampire Rain
> Hour of Victory
> Bomberman: Act Zero
> Eragon

Pimp My Ride for a 10-year-old? LOL

I'd say Kameo, Viva Pinata (not Party Animals, the original), TMNT,
The Simpsons Game (if he likes The Simpsons), Lego Star Wars...can't
think of any others right now off the top of my head...

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 1:25 pm
From: RMZ

On Oct 31, 2:45 pm, "barry makepeace" <barry.makepe...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
> I have a 10 yrs old grandson who is getting a premier x box for xmas. Can
> anyone suggest some good games for it.

Viva Pinata (my 9 year old loved it)
PGR (Project Gotham Racing) 3
Transformers: The Game
Burnout: Revenge
Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation
Guitar Hero (II or III, III just came out and will probably make him
very happy)
-or-
Rock Band (this will be coming out later, go to a gamestop and you can
preorder it)

I would also suggest XBox Live Arcade point cards. These are
essentially gift cards he can use to purchase games on-line that will
auto-download into his new XBox, this is a service he will probably
want to check out right away....

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 1:35 pm
From: Moriquendi

"boodybandit" < allaboutgamez@comcast.net > wrote in
news:qaudnSmacah0Q7XanZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@comcast.com :

>
> "barry makepeace" < barry.makepeace@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:xX4Wi.1068$ib1.288@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
>>I have a 10 yrs old grandson who is getting a premier x box for xmas.
>>Can anyone suggest some good games for it.
>
> Kameo
>
>

Possibly TMNT, Spider-man Friend or Foe, and Lego Star Wars.

--

MQ

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TOPIC: want a ps3? =P
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/ce14cd5132ea8836?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 12:48 pm
From: Ryan.Betancourt@gmail.com

hey guys i found a website exactly 22 days ago that claims that it
gives out free xbox 360 elites, so i was like "ehhh its a scam", but i
thought "what do i have to lose?" so i tried it and yesterday an xbox
360 elite showed up at my door step, so now im trying a diff website
from the same company that gives out free ps3's . so here is a blog
that i made with instructions on how to get a ps3 and a pic of my xbox
just incase you think im lyin , so check it out!

http://sonyps3forfree.blogspot.com/

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TOPIC: Ratchet and Clank Attacks Xbox Weak Point for Massive Damage
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/c81f8b53e338c9a7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 12:51 pm
From: slayerman89@hotmail.com

On Oct 29, 7:34 pm, "Tom" < no...@nothere.com> wrote:
> <slayerma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news: 1193704206.539669.39870@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Oct 25, 2:13 pm, Jonah Falcon < jonahny...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >> On Oct 25, 4:49 pm, slayerma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >> > On Oct 25, 1:36 pm, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
>
> >> > > Yes, everyone is just going to forget that the 360 just had a game
> >> > > that sold 3.3 million copies in 12 days and shattered every sales
> >> > > record known to man.
>
> >> > Actually, Burning Crusade sold about 2.4 million the first day, and
> >> > rose to almost 3.9 million within the month, so shattered isn't really
> >> > the right word.
>
> >> And you think Halo 3 sales will suddenly stop?
>
> > Shattered is past tense and he said it sold 3.3 in twelve days. None
> > of what we are talking about relates to the future. Nice try.
>
> But if you're going to use even a month as a measure as you did in your
> previous to this post, then it could be considered shattered. On Halo3's
> first day, it sold over 2.7mil copies (and I think that is just in the US)
> and now just over a month later, it is over 5.5 million worldwide. WoWBC
> hasn't sold 5 million yet worldwide, and it was released last January. But,
> I read that WoWBC actually did sell 2.7million worldwide its first day, not
> 2.4, which is still impressive.

I'm just pointing out that saying 'shattered every sales record known
to man' is hyperbole.

> But, if you consider the install base of PC gamers to 360 gamers, Halo 3
> sales have shattered sales records, and PC games are much cheaper too.

I can't imagine why you would think that.

> The WoW (released in 2004) was a bigger hit than BC by far, it has over 9
> million.

We are talking about sales records. WoW barely made a blip it's first
month. BC set PC sales records and is the fastest selling PC game of
all time. You can't say that WoW is a bigger hit than it's expansion
because you have to buy WoW for BC to be any use.

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TOPIC: Ex Developer Says PS3 NOT as powerful as 360
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/dbb509b694fd0a24?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 1:23 pm
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Oct 30, 3:49 pm, slayerma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Oct 30, 12:23 pm, The alMIGHTY N < natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > and Portal sounds pretty cool. I'm not a big fan of online
> > deathmatches usually so I don't know that Team Fortress would be that
> > interesting to me (love the art style, though).
>
> TF2 is not an online deathmatch.

I know, I'm just making a generalization... I was never really into
online competitive modes because for many games people just cheat or
just fling insults at each other that are annoying to listen to.

I like coop modes myself.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 1:36 pm
From: slayerman89@hotmail.com

On Oct 31, 1:23 pm, The alMIGHTY N < natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 30, 3:49 pm, slayerma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Oct 30, 12:23 pm, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > and Portal sounds pretty cool. I'm not a big fan of online
> > > deathmatches usually so I don't know that Team Fortress would be that
> > > interesting to me (love the art style, though).
>
> > TF2 is not an online deathmatch.
>
> I know, I'm just making a generalization... I was never really into
> online competitive modes because for many games people just cheat or
> just fling insults at each other that are annoying to listen to.
>
> I like coop modes myself.

As far as I have seen on both systems, TF2 has no cheating (apart from
the heavy running while firing gun bug which was fixed) and the crowds
tend to be mostly mature. Most people are smart enough to take hits
for the team (like you wouldn't see a full team of snipers, because
they would get rolled by a spy) and play useful classes like heavy and
medic because it's fun. Muting spamming idiots is a rare occasion but
they made it very simple.

I would give TOB a shot, at the very least for Portal.

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TOPIC: Big 360 week this week
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/8505fc68a8cd575b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 1:26 pm
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Oct 31, 9:42 am, "CellFish" < nomores...@forme.com> wrote:
> "The alMIGHTY N" < natle...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1193834208.594253.213830@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 30, 4:44 pm, elro...@pop.uky.edu wrote:
> >> On Oct 30, 1:06 pm, "Jonah Falcon" <jonahny...@mindspring.com > wrote:
>
> >> > >"Lost Highway" (which is
> >> > > *STILL* not out on DVD in region 1, BTW).
>
> >> > Then how did I buy a copy a while ago?
>
> >> The only copy I've ever seen even for sale in the U.S . was a crappy
> >> fullscreen import from China. If there is another one, I'd sure be
> >> happy to hear it.
>
> > It was never released in the United States. The only Region 1 release
> > was in Canada. Word is that the murder trial of Robert Blake made the
> > studio uneasy about releasing it in the U.S.
>
> > In any case, the Region 1 release was full screen only.
>
> > On the other hand, the movie has been released a few times in Europe
> > and even has a 2-disc collector's edition type set.
>
> Isn't Lost Highway the movie that has the record for selling the least
> tickets? (16$ or so worth)

No clue... not a fan of David Lynch movies myself...

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TOPIC: GH3 (PS3) has some problems
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_thread/thread/dc9c264b6cc61604?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 1:28 pm
From: Jordan

On Oct 30, 7:20 pm, Jonah Falcon < jonahny...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> http://xbox360.gamespy.com/xbox-360/guitar-hero-iii/831299p3.html

The big problem I've heard on the PS3 side is note lag, but I don't
know if it's a genuine problem with that version or if the people
having it just never went into the calibration screen and fixed the
HDTV lag.

- Jordan

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TOPIC: Metal Gear Solid 4 delayed further... again
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 1:32 pm
From: The alMIGHTY N

On Oct 31, 12:48 pm, "CellFish" <nomores...@forme.com> wrote:
> "Jonah Falcon" < jonahny...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>
> news: 1193844592.631038.203310@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 31, 10:57 am, "CellFish" < nomores...@forme.com> wrote:
> >> <elro...@pop.uky.edu> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1193838078.786799.161580@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com ...
>
> >> > On Oct 31, 8:26 am, Jonah Falcon <jonahny...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >> >> http://www.joystiq.com/2007/10/31/metal-gear-solid-4-delayed-until-q2. ..
>
> >> > In Konami's defense, developing a PS3 and 360 version at the same time
> >> > takes a lot of effort.
>
> >> > -Eric
>
> >> If they want to sell the game in Japan, they have to develop it for the
> >> PS3.
>
> > Huh? The PS3 didn't exactly sell like wildfire in Japan. I thought
> > Konami was doing a worldwide release, not Japan-only release. (laugh)
>
> The PS3, in comparison to the 360 at least, is selling like wildfire in
> Japan. It might not be hotcakes, but it's definitely better than the 360.
> The Wii doesn't deserve to be mentioned despite it selling well simply
> because it is as next-gen as the Gamecube was.

Hmm... could have sworn that the GameCube's graphics weren't as good
and didn't have those funky Wiimotes.

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